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Post by scatpack on Dec 4, 2011 20:34:10 GMT -5
Nice to see the progress on the car.
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Post by cbodymopar on Jan 18, 2012 7:01:33 GMT -5
I was just curious if you have compared your new yorker frame to your monaco frame. Specifically where the motor mount saddles are on the frame. I don't believe its just drop and go. prior to 74 in c-body cars, motor mounts where designed so it didn't matter if you had a big block or a small block, that changed when they redesigned the motor mounts in 74 (73 on b-body if my memory is correct ) Ive never put a big block in a small block car, but have put plenty small blocks in a big block car and it can't be done without modification.
Also, you may check to see if the new yorker frame will fit under the monaco. you'll have correct motor mount saddles and stronger suspension correct for the 440 ! I've put a gran fury frame under a newport , but haven't ever put a new yorker frame under a monaco.
Just didn't want you to try putting that nice motor in and run into problems. for convenience sake, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't believe I am.
Richard
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Post by Lord Vadus on Jan 19, 2012 18:55:02 GMT -5
I was just curious if you have compared your new yorker frame to your monaco frame. Specifically where the motor mount saddles are on the frame. I don't believe its just drop and go. prior to 74 in c-body cars, motor mounts where designed so it didn't matter if you had a big block or a small block, that changed when they redesigned the motor mounts in 74 (73 on b-body if my memory is correct ) Ive never put a big block in a small block car, but have put plenty small blocks in a big block car and it can't be done without modification. Also, you may check to see if the new yorker frame will fit under the monaco. you'll have correct motor mount saddles and stronger suspension correct for the 440 ! I've put a gran fury frame under a newport , but haven't ever put a new yorker frame under a monaco. Just didn't want you to try putting that nice motor in and run into problems. for convenience sake, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't believe I am. Richard The front frame sections were virtually identical. I can't recall, exactly, what was different without seeing the two side-by-side, which is no longer possible. I measured when I had both motors out and the saddles for the mounts are in the exact same places. By keeping the correct motor mounts for the block, there is no issue. The mechanic who is assisting me throughout the process is an AMC/Chrysler guy and his theory, which makes sense to me, is that a platform where the only motor options were V8s in either small or big block configuration, it was cheaper to make a universal subframe so that there were fewerr changes in the assembly process. At that time, Chrysler was sourcing steering colums with tilt from GM instead of making their own. If I encounter any difficulty when the motor goes in this summer; work on the project is reduced to performance building of the motor due to cold outdoor temperatures, I'll share my progress as usual.
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Post by Lord Vadus on Feb 9, 2012 16:19:25 GMT -5
My air cleaner is all cleaned and powder-coated. A friend of mine wanted to try a new product and used my air cleaner as the test item. I don't know what the product was called, but here's the end result.
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Post by Lord Vadus on Apr 3, 2012 16:45:35 GMT -5
Today I learned that some punks shot the windshield of my Monaco with a BB gun; adding about 2' of cracks through it. Now I have to get a replacement and I guess that means that I will be taking a sawzall to the junkyard Monaco in order to get a replacement windshield.
They'd better pray that I never meet them.
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Post by sigmfsk on Apr 3, 2012 17:28:50 GMT -5
Today I learned that some punks shot the windshield of my Monaco with a BB gun; adding about 2' of cracks through it. Aarrrgh. Sorry to hear about that. And sorry for them if you find them. Now I have to get a replacement and I guess that means that I will be taking a sawzall to the junkyard Monaco in order to get a replacement windshield. Oh yeah, please save me a driver-side a-pillar (not just the external chrome trim, the entire actual a-pillar from roof to dash). Sawzall's ROXOR!
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Post by Lord Vadus on Jul 31, 2012 21:05:07 GMT -5
Update: I haven't replaced the windshield yet; back burner project, but I did get the 440 in successfully.
Here's a more detailed synopsis of how it works to convert from a small block to a big block:
The subframes are slightly different. The engine and trans have to use the original mounts from the big block. The small block ones won't work and the end result has the motor sitting about 2" further towards the front than the small block. The transmission also has to be changed because the bell housing doesn't line up from a small block to a big block. The trans sits at the front extreme of the mount, but no fabrication is required. Because of my nature and tendency to over-engineer things, I'm going to fabricate a reinforcement mount because it doesn't sit as securely as I wish at the central mount. It's not relevant due to the drive shaft aiding in securing the tip of the trans and the side mounts still working, but it's one of those things that I'll be doing to make me feel better.
The 440 will be running and moving this car around by the 10th of August.
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Post by Ghostbluesman (Ghostsoldier) on Aug 6, 2012 22:36:53 GMT -5
Sweet deal, bro.
I know when I dropped my '69 440 in my '68 Dart, all I had to do was rotate the small block biscuit mounts 90 degrees (it took a little 'stretching' with a hydraulic jack to get them to drop into the bolt holes, lol); hammered in one side edge of the oilpan for draglink swing clearance, and trimmed a little off the K-frame at the oil filter mount, so I could run a shorty Jeep filter.
I had to make my own tranny mount, because the 440/727 combo was longer than the 318/904 unit I replaced, and it pushed the mounting holes back a few inches....I used a flat steel plate with offset mounting holes.
I might have missed it somewhere in the post, but are you running an Edelbrock on this beast? If so, what's the cfm?
I've got a couple of spare 1408's (600s) lying around here, but I'm not sure they can handle what the RB needs; I was considering having my '72 T-Quad rebuilt instead, but I'm really partial to the Eddys....
Rob
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Post by Lord Vadus on Aug 7, 2012 8:26:54 GMT -5
I do have an Edelbrock carb on the car, though I forget the model. It was one of the few pieces that came with the donor car when I bought it. I'll check on it and get back to you, as rebuilding it is on my to-do list.
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Post by Ghostbluesman (Ghostsoldier) on Aug 7, 2012 12:51:26 GMT -5
Thanks, bro...that will help. I've been told by some of my motorhead friends that you can bump up the size of the metering rods and jets to make it more applicable to larger CID engines, but I'll need to do a little more research on that.
I do know I have a 600 right out of the box on my small- block Falcon, and although it runs okay, it acts like it's a bit choked at times, especially when I stand on it! ;D Rob
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Post by Lord Vadus on Aug 8, 2012 14:17:10 GMT -5
I've got a 1407 and, for a slightly more interesting update from a visual standpoint, here's a shot of under the hood. The engine is finally in and the car should be, barring any set-backs, running by the end of the week. Special thanks go to Nathan (76bluesmobile) for the dash bezel that will find a good home in my car. Pictures of that to come later.
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Post by Ghostbluesman (Ghostsoldier) on Aug 8, 2012 17:19:36 GMT -5
That's a 750 cfm, made for a big-block application. Sweet deal...once I see how yours runs, I'll probably spring for one of those for my car. Rob
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Post by Lord Vadus on Aug 8, 2012 20:05:25 GMT -5
And here's the mock-up of my dash section, as of this moment. I'm still debating making a switch panel, mounting it in lieu of the radio, and wiring it up to control a light sequencing module.
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Post by Lord Vadus on Aug 12, 2012 17:29:33 GMT -5
A most triumphant update. The engine is finally up and running. There's no exhaust, as of yet, but that's minor. The heart and soul of the car is in there.
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Post by Steam McQueen on Aug 12, 2012 18:42:05 GMT -5
Sounded pretty nice with the headphones on!
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