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Post by sigmfsk on Jul 19, 2012 14:16:23 GMT -5
Here's a shot showing the MMoA 1974 Fury ticket light, and its location relative to visors. The ticket-light bracket bolts to the roof. The bracket is hidden behind the cloth headliner. The light bolts to the bracket through the cloth headliner. The associated switch bolts to the bracket through the cloth headliner. The light itself has some fore/aft slots (maybe 3/8" long) that allow it to be moved around slightly. Again, King-of-the-hill is nice reference for how it looks put together
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Post by tk826 on Jul 19, 2012 14:41:33 GMT -5
Here is a shot of the light inside the '75 KHP Monaco I once had. * It looks like it is mounted closer toward the front, than the one shown in the above post. Attachments:
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Post by sigmfsk on Jul 19, 2012 14:59:07 GMT -5
Here are all the movie shots that have a ticket light (as far as I know)
the above may be the same car. They have different color 8-tracks, though. And the ticket light is flush when looking at it from the passenger side, but has some type of non-stock bracket above it when looking at it from the driver side.
The above looks like it could be the same car as the mall, as it looks like the ticket light has that extra bracket above it.
above, crop from daley plaza
above, crop from daley plaza
and honorable mention:
being chased by the Nazis. I think that giant taped up area between the visors could be a ticket light - with the lens removed, and then taped over.
We can't really see much of the upper door panels on the Nazi chase blumo. And we can't see any of them on the slide-around Daley Plaza blumo. But we can see the panels on all the others, and they're all civilian panels (indicating that the ticket light was added to a civilian car).
And the mall shot, looking at the ticket light from the driver side shows some type of non-stock bracket under the light (indicating that the ticket light was added to a civilian car).
[edited to add pictures that didn't display due to corruption on photobucket, and while I was at it, I removed the speculation about the visors being wider in the middle; we figured it out in the visor thread and all the info is there]
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Post by sigmfsk on Jul 19, 2012 15:01:21 GMT -5
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Post by sigmfsk on Jul 19, 2012 17:02:39 GMT -5
Here are some shots of the blumo from the DVD full-screen that shows more of the visor than the wide-screen.
In some pics they certainly seem non-parallel to me. But could it all be some strange illusion due to the lens. Meaning, is it possible that I could take attempt to take a picture from the same angle, but due to how far away the camera was, or what lens they used that the picture is just "curved" in some way? I remember when I attempted to duplicate this shot:
when I had the fury all together, in an attempt to see if a cop throttle-lock would be visible in the pic, and I never could get a pic that looked exactly like the movie (with regard to the same angle on the accelerator and brake and parking brake foot lever in the same relationship to the vent hole behind it).
I noticed in this pic:
that all the monaco visors have a silver clip up by the tang that fits inside the ceiling mount rear view mirror. And it looks like the blumos have those clips too.
Maybe all visors have those clips and it isn't any particular evidence of them being Monaco visors. But that pic also doesn't look particularly non-parallel, so maybe I just need to keep off the white russians for a while and then look at them again.
your friend in throwing out crazy ideas, arthur
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Post by sigmfsk on Jul 19, 2012 19:45:11 GMT -5
Hi TK: Thanks for the pic. It looks like the 75 has the light mounted further forward than where the 74 had it. Here are some other pics of a 75: from bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=details&thread=336&post=5026The parts catalog shows a similar setup for the cop ticket light on both 74 and 75 models: But the parts catalog shows a different part number for the mounting bracket. Actually, I narrowed down the part to (2) possible part numbers in the 74 catalog, and (2) possible part numbers in the 75 catalog, and none of them match. I'm guessing they made a new bracket in 1975 when they replaced the fabric headliner with the foam backed headliner. That probably required a change in the bracket just to get it to fit under the foam backed headliner, and they moved the light forward as part of that effort. --------------- I marked in red the part numbers that I think it could be.
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Post by sigmfsk on Jul 20, 2012 2:34:27 GMT -5
This pic of a 75:
and this blumo pic:
Look to have about the same visors (and dome light location).
And Monaco visors weren't perfectly parallel.
So I think my yellow line is a little misleading,
and the blumo visors are just standard monaco visors and the excessive looking width is just an optical illusion of some sort.
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Post by tk826 on Jul 20, 2012 2:58:46 GMT -5
That was my guess as well. Standard visors with a bit of distorted perspective.
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Post by sigmfsk on Jul 20, 2012 3:00:00 GMT -5
Here: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=details&thread=336&post=5398I outline that I think the blumo visors are standard Monaco visors. So these two pics show Monacos with Monaco visors, and the ticket light is the same location: The top is a 75 (foam backed headliner) The bottom is a 74 (fabric headliner) And from info earlier, I believe the 75 had the ticket light mounted further forward than a 74. As that 75: has the light much further forward than a stock 74 But I thought here's another way to check - the dome light position as compared to the fabric headliner bow just rearward of it. The Fury is rammed right up against the bow. Puzzling, king-of-the-hill has its light a little forward of that. But it also seems pushed up into the ceiling, so maybe that explains why its forward a bit. There's also some tolerance in the fore/aft position of the light where it mounts to the bracket. The blumo shots have the light even more forward than that: So it seems that the most likely situation is: - the stock 74 monaco ticket light mount puts the light in a different fore/aft location than the stock 75 monaco ticket light mount - the blumo visors were stock visors - the blumo ticket light, in all shots where its location can be determined: ---- is mounted approx in the stock 75 monaco position ---- is mounted using some type of non-stock bracket (because of that shot showing something above the light when looking at the passenger side) ---- is in a civilian car (because of civilian upper door panels and cop ticket light in wrong place)
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Post by tk826 on Jul 20, 2012 3:04:58 GMT -5
Looking again at the photo of the tan ticket light, I believe it is in the wrong position.
It seems that in all of the other photos, including the shots of the Bluesmobile, the ticket light is nearly fully inside the area between the visors. In the photo above, of the tan light, it would appear that even if you pushed the visors flat against the ceiling, the light would be mostly out of that center area (ie: too far back).
I am thinking that at one time the light took a hit and was pushed backward. It would explain the rearward location, the ripples in the fabric, and the tear just below the switch-plate.
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Post by tk826 on Jul 20, 2012 3:15:06 GMT -5
Is it a strange bracket... or is it just falling off the ceiling?
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Post by sigmfsk on Jul 20, 2012 5:21:07 GMT -5
Is it a strange bracket... or is it just falling off the ceiling? I think must be a strange bracket. To be clear that we're talking about the same thing, I put an arrow to it here: If you loosen the two screws holding the light to the bracket, you still don't see the bracket hanging down below the fabric headliner, because the bracket exists solely in the airspace between the roof and the headliner. Here's a pic of the fury: So even if you got the bracket and yanked it down so that the light was hanging lower, the bracket still wouldn't be visible in the blumo shot, and it wouldn't have that large rounded edge like in the blumo shot. Maybe the film guys used 75 brackets (for which I don't know what they looked like). I'm guessing they just made their own.
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Post by sigmfsk on Jul 20, 2012 17:03:29 GMT -5
Looking again at the photo of the tan ticket light, I believe it is in the wrong position. It seems that in all of the other photos, including the shots of the Bluesmobile, the ticket light is nearly fully inside the area between the visors. In the photo above, of the tan light, it would appear that even if you pushed the visors flat against the ceiling, the light would be mostly out of that center area (ie: too far back). I am thinking that at one time the light took a hit and was pushed backward. It would explain the rearward location, the ripples in the fabric, and the tear just below the switch-plate. . Hi TK: I appreciate your thoughts. My apologies for spreading out the discussion across multiple threads. I had good intentions of keeping the information in the correct categories but I would have done better to keep it in one place until we figured out what was going on. It also seems that some of my pictures didn't make it to my posts. here is my line of thinking. 1) king of the hill and my fury are cop cars 2) they had the ticket light factory installed 3) they have the same ticket light mounting bracket 4) from the factory they had the ticket light in the same location (within the tolerance of the fore/aft slots of the light) 5) this position was the position my Fury had: 6) The bracket construction/mounting doesn't lend itself to being bent and moving the light forward or rearward. It could only bend up or down a bit. 7) king-of-the-hill has the bracket pushed upwards: which would tend to move the light forward, but not by very much. 8) the king-of-the-hill pic above has the light a good deal "outside" the visor area, about the same amount as my fury is outside the visor area. 9) the blumo monaco has the light well within the visor area: 10) a 1975 cop monaco has the light well within the visor area: 11) the 1975 cop monaco ticket light mount is different from a 1974 ticket light mount (moves the ticket light forward). 12) the blumo monaco does not have the ticket light in the correct position for a 1974 cop monaco your friend in blumo discussions, arthur
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Post by sigmfsk on Jul 20, 2012 20:47:55 GMT -5
It's hard to see exactly where the ticket light is on king-of-the-hill, but it basically looks half in/out of the visor rear edge line, just as the Fury.
King-of-the-hill has more space between the rear of the light and the headliner bow than the Fury does, but now that I think about it, the position of that bow isn't locked down to one position.
The bow fits inside the sleeve in the headliner, and the fabric headliner is just positioned on those shark tooth edges at the front and rear windshield area. So the headliner bow would move forward or rearward depending on how the fabric was positioned.
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Post by tk826 on Jul 20, 2012 23:05:20 GMT -5
What's the scoop on the spare two holes in the Fury photo? Could it be that the light was able to be mounted either forward or back... in either year?
Just kickin' out ideas.
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