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Post by canes on Jun 1, 2012 21:00:06 GMT -5
Is that reddish color for the P1 a primer that is visible after the lettering was rubbed off?
Is it supposed to be a actual red P1? That doesn't seem to be a good color combined with the black door.
Was it origiinally a white letter/number (originally being a relative number)
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Post by sigmfsk on Jun 2, 2012 8:04:57 GMT -5
That's are good questions. I think you're asking: In the fictitious world of the blumo, what would the P1 have looked like new, so that it deteriorated to the point as it appeared in the movie? My guess is: All the stenciling on the blumo was originally white, while at the time the movie was filmed, the front fender lettering remained mostly white, while the P1, quarter panel, and trunk lettering is more white/brown. To me, the P1 looks brownish like the lettering on the quarter panel: In comparison, the lettering on the front fender looks a dirty white (and not brownish) TK826 created a stencil set for the car that has two sets of stencils: one for white paint one for brown paint You can read about his work on starting around here: www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/7017-diary-of-a-bluesmobile/page__st__80#entry104871Here's a pic of P1ing: from www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/7017-diary-of-a-bluesmobile/page__st__120#entry105800Blusmbl used TK's set, and talks about the P1: > The P-1's have two different stencils, one for tan or brown and one for > white. Once this dried they were sanded smooth with 1000 grit then I > covered them over with a mixture of Valspar 66026 Metallic Classic > Bronze and Valspar 85051 Metallic Gold . The edges were then rubbed > with the Goof off WD-40 damp cloth and then shot over with the semi > black. Read more: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=owners&action=display&thread=616&page=6#ixzz1wdejwDrDand shows a sequence of photo's, culminating in: For his P1, Chitown John says: > the color I used was "Almond Ace" the can says thaton the little label > onthe back. > So it cant be just any Almond cause as I found through many cans, > they were not even close. But at a Ace Hardware I found the Almond > Ace and was real happy w/ the likeness of the color. from www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/5367-painting-qs/#entry75745Here's the best pic of I have of his P1: Here's an add-on question: The production notes show 6 primary blumos, labeling them P1 through P6. The movie blumo always has P1 painted on the rear doors. Was "P[digit]" a standard police paint scheme? Did Mt. Prospect (or any other police department), stencil their cars P1 ... P[highest car number]? your friend in wondering about P1, arthur
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Post by tk826 on Jun 2, 2012 13:32:04 GMT -5
Mt.Prospect and the P1... P = Patrol 1 = Car #1 In Mt.Prospect, P1 was (and still is) the patrol car assigned to the on-duty watch commander. Because of this fact, the P1 car always sat in the driveway in front of the police station and was the only car anyone would see as they drove past the station. The rest of the cars were parked in the lot in back of the station. Intentional or not, the Bluesmobile was recognizable to anyone familiar with Mt.Prospect. Those familiar with the car very likely said to themselves... "Hey, that's the car that was always in front of the police station". On the same subject... I always liked the below photo, because if the Bluesmobile was real life, the P1 shown in the photo (a 1977 Monaco) would have been the Blumo's direct replacement. On a side note, the replica MPPD '74 Monaco is officially listed as P54 because the current P1 is a supervisor assigned Chevy Tahoe.
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Post by sigmfsk on Jun 2, 2012 13:44:56 GMT -5
That's great info and pic, thanks TK!
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Post by tk826 on Jun 2, 2012 13:49:47 GMT -5
Back to the original question:
Just to reiterate what sigmfsk said above... The answer is yes, it is meant to represent "poorly removed" white lettering, revealing the primer color, underneath the letters.
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Post by sigmfsk on Jun 2, 2012 14:07:55 GMT -5
Back to the original question: Just to reiterate what sigmfsk said above... The answer is yes, it is meant to represent "poorly removed" white lettering, revealing the primer color, underneath the letters. Oooh, it is good to be clear, because I didn't get that. I was thinking that it was representing just getting dirty. Is the theory: - the P1 and quarter panel and trunk lettering was wiped down with a rag soaked in paint thinner by the fictitious people at the police station that readied the car for the Mt. Prospect auction? - and that they left the front fender stencil lettering alone, and that lettering just deteriorated due to time? Or that they rubbed all the lettering, but they put more elbow grease into the rear lettering so they wore through to the primer? your friend in theories about fictitious people's actions, arthur
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Post by canes on Jun 2, 2012 21:57:11 GMT -5
Back to the original question: Just to reiterate what sigmfsk said above... The answer is yes, it is meant to represent "poorly removed" white lettering, revealing the primer color, underneath the letters. Oooh, it is good to be clear, because I didn't get that. I was thinking that it was representing just getting dirty. Is the theory: - the P1 and quarter panel and trunk lettering was wiped down with a rag soaked in paint thinner by the fictitious people at the police station that readied the car for the Mt. Prospect auction? - and that they left the front fender stencil lettering alone, and that lettering just deteriorated due to time? Or that they rubbed all the lettering, but they put more elbow grease into the rear lettering so they wore through to the primer? your friend in theories about fictitious people's actions, arthur Thanks guys. Great stuff here. I'll test some of the techniques in miniature and see which way to go on this. Interesting, the Blumo shows a gray primer undercoat in some areas of the car and red/brown primer in others (maybe different on each movie car, except it comes to major details)
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Post by sigmfsk on Jun 3, 2012 5:36:20 GMT -5
Interesting, the Blumo shows a gray primer undercoat in some areas of the car and red/brown primer in others (maybe different on each movie car, except it comes to major details) Hi Canes: Can you post some pics or describe the scenes that show grey / red differences? I can go to the scenes and extract the pics. I haven't been paying a lot of attention to color detail (since my blumo is so far away from painting), but since I'm going to try and map each car in the movie, this seems like a good detail to look for. thanks, arthur
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Post by canes on Jun 3, 2012 19:23:38 GMT -5
Look at the scratches on the sides, one on the passenger rear door, around the wheel wells, and you can see grey primer under the scratched paint.
Nothing much to it, as it is certainly reasonable if not likely that different primer was used, at different times (the front passenger panel's large red primer looks like it was part of a repair/repaint job, and not the paint wearing off and revealing the original primer. I think?
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Post by canes on Jun 4, 2012 9:44:32 GMT -5
Look at the gray primer around the fender
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Post by tk826 on Jun 4, 2012 16:25:10 GMT -5
I've always felt... in the fictional universe... that the Bluesmobile has a base coat of gray primer. On top of that is black paint. The numbers and lettering themselves have a brown primer. (on top of the black) The rear numbers/ letters were removed with more effort because they are the identifying marks of the car itself and it's former department. The P1 (squad number), the phone number to the police station, the word "police" itself.. and the other ID number on the trunk, all tie back to the department and would need to be removed for sale. The "To Serve and protect" lettering would have no direct link to the department and was also likely not a concern for resale purposes. I think the movie poster car and the "Mrs Tarantino" scene, show it pretty well... Here is an example, from the car shown in the theater poster: I believe the colors are layered... white, then brown, then the black paint of the car itself. In front of the Tarantino house: Following this line of thought would also show that large sections of the phone numbers are missing (just black color in those areas) because the white and brown layers of the numbers were removed, leaving just the black paint of the car behind. * The front drivers lower fender: This was repaired at some point just before, or just after the auction and the color of that patched area is not related to the cars original state. In fact, I'm still not sure that area is in fact covered in primer. If you look at the scenes where sunlight is shining on the car, such as the "We're out of gas" scene, or the "Tarantino" scene, that area looks to be a very dull light pink color, like it is intended to be the color of raw sanded Bondo. .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 9:32:33 GMT -5
I know this is a reaaaaallly old post but I thought I could add a little something to it. As I have been working on my car I have noticed that there are two layers of primer then paint. Bare Metal, Red/Brown Primer (Rust Prohibitor?), Grey Primer, and then base color. I bought an NOS header panel that came shipped red/brown. So my thoughts are that parts were coated in red/brown to prevent rust, primed grey before paint, then painted. Depending on how aggressive the person was at trying to remove the lettering or damage the car received would probably reflect which colors showed more is my theory
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Post by 58hemifury on Mar 29, 2017 15:15:44 GMT -5
This is how I did the P1 on my last build, I painted the letters/numbers in white and then I used aerosol red/brown primer sprayed on a foam brush and spread over the white letters to look rusty/partially removed, it looks similar to any scene where the P1 is in direct sunlight in the movie.
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Post by 58hemifury on Mar 29, 2017 15:17:13 GMT -5
And NOS fenders came in black primer, I'm sitting next to one as I type this.
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Post by elwoodmpblues on Apr 29, 2019 16:36:11 GMT -5
Mt.Prospect and the P1... P = Patrol 1 = Car #1 In Mt.Prospect, P1 was (and still is) the patrol car assigned to the on-duty watch commander. Because of this fact, the P1 car always sat in the driveway in front of the police station and was the only car anyone would see as they drove past the station. The rest of the cars were parked in the lot in back of the station. Intentional or not, the Bluesmobile was recognizable to anyone familiar with Mt.Prospect. Those familiar with the car very likely said to themselves... "Hey, that's the car that was always in front of the police station". On the same subject... I always liked the below photo, because if the Bluesmobile was real life, the P1 shown in the photo (a 1977 Monaco) would have been the Blumo's direct replacement. On a side note, the replica MPPD '74 Monaco is officially listed as P54 because the current P1 is a supervisor assigned Chevy Tahoe. This picture brings back memories because I responded to this call. Notice he skid marks from P-1. The Sergeant driving P-1 and the Monaco in the background were responding to a call when they arrived at an intersection at the same time and collided with each other. P-2 was driven to the scene by the second on-duty supervisor. Neither officer was hurt, the SOP was to have the paramedics respond whenever an officer was involved in a crash. A side note, our '77 Monaco's when bought were all white. Another department, had cancelled their order so MP got a good deal on them. Prospect Auto Body painted the black on them. PAB, now demolished, was located on the west side Elmhurst Rd. south of Central Rd. just north of the building that housed the Blues Bar. A historical note, the '77 would not have been the Bluesmobile's replacement. There was a '75 Torino and '76 LeMans Enforcer P-1 in between the '74 Monaco which was squad #120
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