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Post by spanks79 on Nov 24, 2013 19:26:02 GMT -5
I tried to fit a pair of the 5113 headers to my car during the build process and, with the torsion bar in place, it could not be done. I wound up re-selling them at a loss as a result. If you're ambitious enough to pull the suspension setup and then re-install it after the headers are in, it should work, but that was out of my desired range of work. As for the manifold, it WILL fit, but I can't run an unmodified dual snorkel air intake and that's a big part of what I want to do with the car. If you don't mind a non-stock intake setup, then there's no issue. Ahh, thanks for the clarification. So the 5113's will fit but not with out some hassle which is what I expected. Also thanks for the feedback on the intake manifold. I plan on using the Performer RPM and a dual snorkel air cleaner, but I am fully expecting to have to modify the base to fit.
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Post by countrybunker on Nov 24, 2013 20:11:50 GMT -5
As you say 58, to each his own. I've heard countless testaments that headers suck, for the exact reasons stated above. Obviously I cant argue/deny that. I have seen some that leak, and know it is a bear to get them to seal up, and stay sealed. I can say, I havnt owned dozens of mopars, I've owned a few. The only one with headers was the best one I owned out of all of em, and that was my newport. I must have got real lucky with that car. That car came with the shumacher tri-y headers, full 2.5inch dual exhaust, with an H pipe. That car didn't sound tinny to me at all. Then again maybe it does to others.. When you say tinny, I automatically think ford 5.0L.. Also never had any problems with them rotting out, dragging, or what not. Hell they were left uncoated, bare, and the car sat outside in the elements with all the moisture. Never had any problems with em.. Here they are the day I bought the car Here they are 5 years later a month before I sold her. Sure a little more surface rust. But no rot. I miss that car!! I dont think we have to worry about draggin headers in these cars. They sit pretty high.... Sure you can spend all kinds of $$ on the stock HP manifolds to make em try to perform like headers. I'd rather just buy the headers. But thats me lol. We all have our own ideads of what to do.
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 25, 2013 3:35:03 GMT -5
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 25, 2013 5:59:47 GMT -5
That thread has some good pics in it. It seems several c-body folks (pre 74) are using hedman 78070 shorties: Wise words:
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Post by 58hemifury on Nov 25, 2013 6:19:15 GMT -5
I made a mistake earlier, my friend's headers that didn't fit and hit the sides of the engine block were Sanderson headers,not hedman.
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 25, 2013 7:12:26 GMT -5
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Post by countrybunker on Nov 25, 2013 7:32:12 GMT -5
Yea the 78070's might fit. But seems the 5113's would be better suited for the big monaco. I think the majority of ur are looking for low end grunt to get moving, and the long tubes work better for that application. The shorties are more for high rpm performance. That is if you were looking to go through the hassle of installing them...
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 25, 2013 8:08:09 GMT -5
> I realized I never commented on these headers. I think these look awesome! > It is a header but constructed like a manifold. Constructing the header out > of thick, iron pipe would negate most if all of the negative aspects of headers. Cool! I have high hopes for them. > Arthur, I like your summary. Also the Headman 78070 looks like a suitable option as well. They were in my summary, first item under "big block". I added the summary to the OP. > As I sit here and type this I am thinking it would be nice if we could just try a set of > these [Hooker 5113]. My car would be the perfect specimen, right now I have no dog house > on the car... > Q: > What is a car's dog house? > A: > in body shop terms...if i said that "I had to paint the dog house" that would mean that > i sprayed the hood, both fenders, and in newer cars the front facia/bumper cover. wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_car%27s_dog_houseLearn something every day! If you were really interested in keeping the set if they'd work, could you order a set from jegs, then wrap thin cardboard around them (to keep them from getting oily/scratched), and then try to install, and if it looks good then keep them, and if not, return them as unused?
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Post by spanks79 on Nov 25, 2013 8:48:06 GMT -5
If you were really interested in keeping the set if they'd work, could you order a set from jegs, then wrap thin cardboard around them (to keep them from getting oily/scratched), and then try to install, and if it looks good then keep them, and if not, return them as unused? Kind of what I was thinking. I'm not sure I am ready to commit to that yet. Reading more on headers, I found this on for c bodies only www.forcbodiesonly.com/mopar-forum/showthread.php?7052-The-reason-why-you-don-t-put-on-headers-on-a-C-bodyI think my preference is still to find HP manifolds, but if I do decide to try headers, I would try the 5113.
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 25, 2013 18:24:37 GMT -5
Added this to the OP: Schumacher has some Hi-Flow Tri-Y Under Chassis B/RB Headers: > In '66-73 C-Body applications: The 440 may require shims on the > passenger side motor mount. In some cases, the automatic kick down > bellcrank may hit the flange and need to be narrowed. www.engine-swaps.com/Pages/ProductsType/BRB_Headers.htmlMay work on a 74? No data.
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 25, 2013 18:36:19 GMT -5
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Post by 58hemifury on Nov 25, 2013 19:24:11 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it was these, the lower flange hit the side of the block, a little grinding and he made it work but you shouldn't have to go thru that when you buy a part.
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 25, 2013 21:02:45 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it was these, the lower flange hit the side of the block, a little grinding and he made it work but you shouldn't have to go thru that when you buy a part. Thanks 58HF. I added a summary of the Sanderson's to the OP.
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 26, 2013 5:22:15 GMT -5
The 74-77 c-body details area is for info on how 74-77 c-body cars came originally, and the dodge monaco stuff / 74-77 c-body details /exhaust manifolds discussion expanded into several different performance ugprade areas.
I move many of the recent posts from that details thread into three threads in the "performance and engineering modifications" area: store bought headers custom headers maximum flow stock exhaust manifolds
And I add this post to the bottom of each thread (so that each shows up under "new threads").
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