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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 28, 2011 19:26:28 GMT -5
Calling all brothers in blues with a 75 Monaco, or an early build 74 monaco!! Here is a pic of the fall-apart car (original blu-ray resolution, cropped):  Look at the radiator yoke, to the left of the battery. At first glance, the radiator yoke seemed to be like my 76 yoke - that has an air hole for the hose to the air cleaner. But upon closer inspection, it doesn't match my 76 yoke. I know the builder of the fall-apart car didn't care about what yoke he used, but I'm sure he didn't go out of his way to modify unimportant holes on the yoke. And surely he started with a stock Monaco yoke. The parts catalog lists 4 different yokes for 74-77 c-body monacos: up to 1-2-74 3752450 after 1-2-74 3752700 75 3752458 76/77 3850319 Here is a pic of Marin County, a 74 build after 1/2/74. I'm guessing this is a 3752700 yoke: It doesn't match because it doesn't have the large circular hole like the movie yoke. Here are pics of my 76 parts cat. I'm guessing this is a 3850319 yoke. This isn't the yoke in the movie, because the movie yoke has a large hole to the far left of the radiator, while the 76 yoke has a smaller hole to the left of the large hole. The only possible yokes left are: 1974: up to 1-2-74 1975 I'm guessing it is a 1975 yoke, because: 1) it would match the 1975 pocketless door panel 2) it would make sense to me that in 1975 Ma Mopar started thinking about an air intake hose to the air cleaner, and worked on a prototype, but then modified it before the 1976 start date (at least this would make more sense than early 1974 having a large hole, then middle 1974 having no large hole, then 1976 having a large hole again). Can folks with a 1975 Monaco take a pic of this area of the yoke? 177ellwood, country bunker? Can folks with a 1974 Monaco built before 1/2/74 take a pic? LV's sedan, TK826's hardtop, Chitown's blumo? your friend in blumo analysis support, arthur |
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Post by tk826 on Aug 28, 2011 20:25:18 GMT -5
It looks like mine matches the first screen shot above. A large rectangle hole next to the battery, and to the left of that, a smaller, slightly oval hole. * And below that are the two tiny holes. (one larger than the other) Attachments:
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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 28, 2011 21:48:30 GMT -5
It looks like mine matches the first screen shot above. Thanks, TK. I think you are saying that your 74 yoke appears the same as my 74 yoke (just verifying that when you say "first screen shot above", you mean "first non-movie shot above : second pic above". On a related analysis note, I first thought that the rectangular hole behind the battery had the outline as shown in blue on the highest pic below. But I think that the white outline at the top of the battery is not necessarily an outline of the rectangular hole, but instead just white writing on the top of the battery, and the hole could be as indicated in blue on the lowest pic above. I'm hoping that a 75 yoke appears similar to the movie pic, as that would be the simplest explanation. If that doesn't match, it might be time to bring out the 1974.5 prototype jump yoke theory. thanks, arthur |
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Post by tk826 on Aug 28, 2011 22:46:59 GMT -5
This is what I am seeing on both mine, and the screen shot from the movie... *Not to scale. Attachments:
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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 29, 2011 1:30:18 GMT -5
This is what I am seeing on both mine, and the screen shot from the movie... Ohhh, thanks for the clarification. I now see in your yoke pic how the holes correspond with those in the movie. So your pre 1/2/74 build date yoke is a likely match from the movie! We just need to verify that a 75 yoke looks obviously different and we're done! thanks, arthur |
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Post by 76bluesmobile on Aug 29, 2011 13:11:57 GMT -5
Amazing study work folks! And looking at the movie shot, one has to be impressed with the amount of work it took to make that car fall apart like it did. Only had one chance to do it too - incredible.
The research that has gone into these Blumos is just plain phenomenal!
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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 29, 2011 16:02:59 GMT -5
...one has to be impressed with the amount of work it took to make that car fall apart like it did. Only had one chance to do it too - incredible... It is rather incredible; especially looking at it frame-by-frame. Don't forget about this pic: that is stored in hi-res here: www.weekendaternies.com/blues.htmIt looks like it may have been taken at the same time as this shot: So maybe there were able to film it in exactly one shot. I imagine it probably took a while to reset, but I suppose they could have done several takes. I also like that still picture because its a different angle and clearly shows a non A/C dash (vent blockoff plate on far right). your friend in different camera angles, arthur |
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Post by Steam McQueen on Aug 29, 2011 21:21:21 GMT -5
So maybe there were able to film it in exactly one shot. I imagine it probably took a while to reset, but I suppose they could have done several takes. It was pointed out to me many moons ago that when the Bluesmobile slides onto the sidewalk and when the car disintegrates are probably different days. Evidenced by the air conditoner not being in the window when they pull up.  Something else kinda weird about that scene, when Jake gets out it looks like he runs to the front fender first, bends down for some reason, and then runs away. I've always thought he was activating a timer for the disintegration, but it didn't work. That was just a personal theory. Although it just creates extra continuity confusion because that might suggest the disintegration was filmed before the slide onto the sidewalk because I believe they were filming those scenes in September (Labor Day weekend) not typically the time to be installing an air conditioner. I'm serious, this is not a yoke. ;D |
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Post by sigmfsk on Sept 4, 2011 9:33:34 GMT -5
It was pointed out to me many moons ago that when the Bluesmobile slides onto the sidewalk and when the car disintegrates are probably different days. Evidenced by the air conditoner not being in the window when they pull up. ...might suggest the disintegration was filmed before the slide onto the sidewalk because I believe they were filming those scenes in September (Labor Day weekend) not typically the time to be installing an air conditioner. I'm serious, this is not a yoke. hheheheh, right on, this is no yoking matter! I didn't notice the A/C difference, Steam, thanks for the update. That Country Bunker guy is pretty shrewd. He was going to post a pic of his 75 radiator yoke, but then decided to hold off, because then I was sure to attend the drag racing where I could take pictures of weird Monaco stuff like his radiator yoke and front passenger ashtray cigarette rest. I didn't meet 76Bluesmobile's "Blumo Paparazzi" standard, but I did get a good yoke picture. It looks like my 74-post 1/2/74 yoke. The 75 yoke is a different part number than the 74-post 1/2/74 yoke. Maybe it is different somewhere else. Or, since Country Bunker's 75 was built in 74, maybe it's using the same 74-post 1/2/74 yoke. It will be interesting to see what 177ellwood's 75 yoke looks like. What do you get when you cross a mountain-climber with a mosquito? Nothing: you can't cross a scaler with a vector. mathworld.wolfram.com/CrossProduct.htmlyour friend in sneaking in mathematical yokes, arthur |
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Post by Mr Mercer on Sept 4, 2011 10:47:16 GMT -5
" It will be interesting to see what 177ellwood's 75 yoke looks like. " Here ya go . Attachments:
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Post by sigmfsk on Sept 5, 2011 16:20:41 GMT -5
" It will be interesting to see what 177ellwood's 75 yoke looks like. " Here ya go . It started out as a nice little skit about girls in pink pants going crazy for screen accurate radiator yokes, but now it's just got silly. It's silly. This is no yoking matter. |
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Post by Lord Vadus on Sept 5, 2011 20:17:49 GMT -5
There gets to be a point where you have to stop, take a step back, and ask yourself, "Just how far do I really want to go with this? What's next? Am I going to try to locate tires that were used on police vehicles and made in 1974 because that's how they're described in the movie?"
Personally, I'm not going to fret too much about 100% accuracy and build the Bluesmobile as I remember it and always imagined it. After all, it's a magic car. Who's to say it can't reconfigure itself to make ME happy?
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Post by sigmfsk on Sept 5, 2011 20:56:52 GMT -5
There gets to be a point where you have to stop, take a step back, and ask yourself, "Just how far do I really want to go with this? What's next? Am I going to try to locate tires that were used on police vehicles and made in 1974 because that's how they're described in the movie?" Yep, I've asked myself that, and I my personal answer is in my Marin County thread: www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=owners&thread=45&post=687> if it's shown once in the movie, it must match that shot > if it's shown multiple times in the movie, it must match one of > them > > under those conditions, the car will be exactly the same as a > 1974 stock 440 cop Monaco, except for changes due to the > following considerations: > - performance > - safety > ...My goal is no better or worse than anybody else's goal. It just > gives me something to shoot for without always wondering what > to pick. So my personal criteria is that the radiator yoke must match, because a non-matching yoke can't be explained away by performance or safety considerations. Tires don't need to match, because newer tires are needed for both performance and safety reasons. But that's just my deranged build plan. It should be clear that these "details" threads aren't how to make a screen accurate bluesmobile (although some of the information certainly applies). It's just info on 74-77 c-body monacos. Although I'm thinking of asking Steam to change it to 74-77 c-bodies, because I just realized that Plymouth Fury's didn't have the front passenger ashtray. Weird, huh. I had one guy PM me and tell me that my thread on dual-snorkel air cleaners is silly, because it doesn't apply to the bluesmobile since the hood is never opened. Then someone else PMd me and told me that it helped him with his cop car restoration. One never knows how the info might be useful to somebody. And all the little trivia is fun to me and keeps me off the streets while I'm waiting for the panel beaters to work on my car. Thanks everyone for helping me on these little details. your friend in fun details, arthur |
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Post by Lord Vadus on Sept 5, 2011 23:13:45 GMT -5
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there's anything WRONG with finding as much as possible about the car; quite the opposite. I'm simply going with the fact that there are many little changes and that we all have a level of freedom in the claim of building an accurate replica or our own Bluesmobile. If one wanted to split hairs, then it could be said that one with any aftermarket CD player is wrong by default, etc. However, I also want to appeal to the builder who wants a car that they're more concerned with driving, instead of whether or not they overlooked a small detail in the build process.
From the level of in-depth analysis and minute observations, it can seem daunting and give the impression that we're looking for the smallest detail on these cars that's wrong as an excuse to ridicule another owner's car. I know of a few replica sites like that and I want it to be obvious that we welcome and encourage ALL interpretations of the Bluesmobile (with the possible exception of that Chevy Cruze, but that's different...) and that nobody is ridiculed, instead, all are welcomed with open arms.
I've had several people contact me about buying one of my two Monacos and, in the course of the conversation or emails, I've referred them here so that they could keep tabs on any that come up for sale. Three people told me that the site seemed too obsessed with the finest details of the car, when all they wanted to do was paint it black and white.
Hopefully nobody misinterpreted me too badly, as I love to look at the subtle differences between my own cars and marvel at the fact that they made money with all the changes over the course of a few years on a single model.
Also, I'll try to get a picture of my green car tomorrow to see what its like; schedule permitting.
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Post by sigmfsk on Sept 6, 2011 5:45:39 GMT -5
...I've referred them here so that they could keep tabs on any that come up for sale. Three people told me that the site seemed too obsessed with the finest details of the car, when all they wanted to do was paint it black and white... Oh, that's a good point. Maybe we should think of a sticky that can explain to new folks that this level of detail is not required (or typically desired) in a replica. We don't want to scare off new people perusing the site. Detail is fine if its fun, but we don't want the site to give the impression that we're a bunch of detail snobs. your friend in all manners of replicas built with the spirit of the blues, arthur |
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