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Post by legendaryacura8 on Oct 31, 2013 14:50:29 GMT -5
Again I don't want to put words in anyones mouth, but I wouldn't be surprised if what greg meat to say was that they all had the F43 reinforcement bracket. I read somewhere else that if you don't drill the hole straight through the bracket the drill will easily get caught on the lip of the reinforcement bracket. The important thing to take away from this, IMO, is that Unity is considering reproducing 215 mounts! I just asked if there were any plans to reproduce the screws for the Chrysler kit, or if I would be able to purchase it as is and locate my own screws...
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Post by sigmfsk on Oct 31, 2013 15:00:26 GMT -5
Again I don't want to put words in anyones mouth, but I wouldn't be surprised if what greg meat to say was that they all had the F43 reinforcement bracket. I read Greg's quote again and it seems to me that he's quite clearly talking about the actual spotlight shaft hole through the a-pillar. But I'm more interested in asking what you think about the second part of this line: > The movie cars had the interior mounted, first generation #216 spotlight bracket. That statement doesn't seem correct either, because there were all sorts of different interior and exterior brackets on the movie cars. But what is a: > first generation #216 spotlight bracket. That implies that there is a second generation #216 spotlight bracket. When you say that the cop car guys say that the 75 factory spotlight monacos came with a 216, maybe they mean something different than what the CHP used in 74/75? If there are two generations of 216's, that might explain part of the confusion.
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Post by legendaryacura8 on Oct 31, 2013 15:07:12 GMT -5
Ah, I didn't see the whole original post, just the quote in the original link. I'm at a loss now, haha. Maybe a first generation 216 is a 215?
Also! Another update from Unity:
I just asked if there was a possibility of a group buy discount. I think 80 dollars for an incomplete kit is a little steep considering you can get a complete 216 kit for less than 60 and it sounds like they're just trying to get rid of what's left of their old stock...
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Post by legendaryacura8 on Oct 31, 2013 16:02:29 GMT -5
Alright, here's the deal with the 215 group buy:
So Arthur, if you want one, and I know I want one that just needs 3 more people interested. I don't know if you would want to take that risk. I also don't know if there's any interest (on this site anyway) on the RH kits. I know I have no interest. Let me know what you think...
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Post by legendaryacura8 on Oct 31, 2013 16:09:01 GMT -5
One last thing while I'm thinking about it. If these don't come with instructions or a template, I'm assuming you still have your original interior a pillar pieces to create some for anyone else who didn't have them previously installed on their vehicles? I'm also curious as to how well the plastic will hold up with the mount installed being used as a drill guide?
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Post by sigmfsk on Oct 31, 2013 17:30:42 GMT -5
Maybe a first generation 216 is a 215? Yes, I think Greg may have been calling a 215 interior bracket "a first generation 216". I think 80 dollars for an incomplete kit is a little steep considering you can get a complete 216 kit for less than 60 and it sounds like they're just trying to get rid of what's left of their old stock... Yes, you can probably buy a complete spotlight assembly with 215 bracket for less than that (if you wait long enough on e-bay). Ghostbluesman bought one: www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/7531-spotlight-questions-and-answers/page-2#entry84108And TK826 bought one: www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/7531-spotlight-questions-and-answers/page-6#entry116323I'd say ifever/whenever you're ready to pull the trigger, go ahead and buy one. I don't think it makes sense for us to buy 5, or to wait for 3 other people. I do have that piece, as I'll be reinstalling it when I put my blumo back together. I think it would take more than looking at the interior trim piece to design a guide for the drillbit. Even if you started the drill at the correct spot, you still need to guide it through the a-pillar at the correct angle. Here: www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/7531-spotlight-questions-and-answers/page-3#entry101881TK826 writes that Unity's 216 drill bushing can be used for the 215. So that's one piece of the puzzle. Unity has a guide for the 216 bracket install: www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/7531-spotlight-questions-and-answers/page-2#entry83969And we don't have one for the 215. We don't know the process Ma Mopar used to drill the holes. Here: www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/7531-spotlight-questions-and-answers/page-4#entry104278TK826 writes good news: > Supposedly, once the spotlight bracket is (properly) installed, it will guide the drill bit, at the proper angle. I wonder if that's true for a 215 install. We can probably look at my exterior a-pillar chrome piece and do some CSI on it and determine if the hole was drilled from outside-in (such as would be done for a 216 exterior) or from inside-out (which might have been done for a 215). and also the appropriately scary assessment: > cracking the glass and/ or drilling through a clip is probably my biggest concern. We have the technology to build a guide for a 215 bracket install. And although it never happened from the factory, we can probably get it to work on a car without F43 spotlight reinforcements. To do it well enough that I'd feel comfortable drilling through an a-pillar, I think would take a good deal of work.
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Post by Lord Vadus on Oct 31, 2013 17:47:57 GMT -5
I'd be interested in a 215 to help out a group buy.
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Post by legendaryacura8 on Oct 31, 2013 17:57:06 GMT -5
I was assuming that you would drill the hole for the 215 the same way as the 216, mount the bracket to it's mounting spot and use it as a guide to feed the drill bit through the A-Pillar. The only issue with trying to use the same directions as mounting the 216 is that you need to drill the holes to mont the 216 on the windshield trim in irder to use it as a guide. I personally have no intention of drilling 2 unneccesary holes in my window trim in order to mount the 215, which is where my logic of mounting the 215 inside and using it as a guide came from. And if not enough people are interested in the group buy by tomorrow morning/afternoon, I'll probably just buy one by myself because they only have 6 available and I don't want to miss out on the opportunity... So we have 3, if there are two more people who want one we can do this!
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Post by sigmfsk on Oct 31, 2013 18:18:45 GMT -5
I personally have no intention of drilling 2 unneccesary holes in my window trim in order to mount the 215... And it wouldn't help anyway, because both hole location in the a-pillar, and angle of the spotlight shaft through the a-pillar, are different for the 215 mount and 216 mount. That 215 is a little bit of a tricky dicky.
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Post by legendaryacura8 on Oct 31, 2013 20:06:26 GMT -5
True, hadn't considered that. All the more reason your measurements will be so important!
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Post by sigmfsk on Oct 31, 2013 20:32:45 GMT -5
All the more reason your measurements will be so important! The good news is that I happen to have a 1974 c-body cop car with factory installed spotlight 215 bracket mount holes and spotlight shaft hole in my living room. It's the Monaco Museum of Amazement display case: from bluesmobiles.proboards.com/post/5297so we can mount the 215 to it, and review and check and double check.
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Post by legendaryacura8 on Nov 1, 2013 3:01:35 GMT -5
All the checking and double checking in the world is fine with me so long as I mount my spotlight correctly the first time!!!
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 1, 2013 4:06:06 GMT -5
All the checking and double checking in the world is fine with me so long as I mount my spotlight correctly the first time!!! Since cars varied so much, and we don't know what process the factory used to install the 215, and we don't know why they changed from the 215 to the 216 (maybe it was because so many installs of the 215 went bad), I can't make any guarantees on the success of measurements, but I'm happy to spend a bit of time measuring for you, and I'm happy for you to spend a lot of time measuring yourself. The MMoA has large opening hours to support board members performing spotlight mounting measurements.
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Post by legendaryacura8 on Nov 1, 2013 10:56:11 GMT -5
I'm gonna wait a few more hours to place my order just to see if there are two more people interested in the group buy. I got one other update saying the group buy price is actually 66 dollars, not 72...
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Post by legendaryacura8 on Nov 1, 2013 11:20:47 GMT -5
Something seems odd about the pictures of the 215 mount Unity posted. It looks like there are extra humps on the back side where the mounting screw go. I couldn't find a way to copy the pictures or url's of the photos so here's a link to the page on Unity's website: shop.unityusa.com/215-Installation-Kit_p_1997.html
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