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Post by Sean Belushi on Sept 22, 2011 20:53:09 GMT -5
Talk to an attorney SCMODS..
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Post by 76bluesmobile on Sept 22, 2011 21:52:05 GMT -5
As follows: "any vehicle painted 2 tone using traditional police colors is prohibited. any vehicle using an image of former police use, markings, badges or otherwise is prohibited". " Those vehicles aren't your concern and aren't your obligation. Your car is the one in question and your only concern at this time is to either paint the car a solid color, or discontinue use". Hope I got the quote thing right (1st time using that feature). SCMODS, I think the second quote where they specifically cite your car could definitely be harassment. And what the heck do they mean by "those vehicles aren't your concern and aren't your obligation" ?? Indiana should explain that. I'm sure others will agree with me, but I'll only speak for myself - I AM BEHIND YOU 100% SCMODS!! This is unfair and I am furious at the State. I intend to write e-mails to the elected representatives there over this weekend and ask that my fellow brothers and sisters in blues do the same - one of our own is in need of our help! That is all I have to say. Nathan
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Post by Elwood on Sept 22, 2011 22:43:14 GMT -5
Damn....I really don't know what to say. This is still The United States of America,right?
I'm sorry about all of the s*** you've had to go through over this, SCMODS..
Actually; I did just get an idea:
I'm not sure how the admins. of this board would feel about it; but how about a short setup letter,and a link to this thread,mass e-mailed to every major and minor newspaper in the country?
Also; I'm not joking SCMODS, but have you considered the ACLU?
-Rob
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Post by sigmfsk on Sept 23, 2011 3:21:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure how the admins. of this board would feel about it; but how about a short setup letter,and a link to this thread,mass e-mailed to every major and minor newspaper in the country? It's nice to get all riled up, but we don't even know what statue the police are referencing, or even if it exists. TK notes that the police do not have a responsibility to tell people what the law is: > I'm sure that if I called my local PD they would try and persuade > me not to have it as well. > But, it doesn't mean that they would be correct. Heck, the police don't even have a duty to protect people. See Warren v. District of Columbia 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981) where the court opinion noted that it is a > "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its > agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such > as police protection, to any individual citizen." www.firearmsandliberty.com/kasler-protection.htmlIt seems to me that the thing to do is what we've said several times before. Find out exactly what the law is, then figure out what to do about it. The police didn't reference the statute in question; they just spouted off some gibberish. Hire a lawyer, find the statute, see what it says, see what the case law in Indiana is, and go from there. your friend in planning, arthur
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Post by chitownjohn on Sept 23, 2011 5:12:35 GMT -5
Even if he is able to fight it and win , you've just let the guys who have some sort of problem w/ you, know that you won this time. If he continue to lives there it may be hell.
I'm afraid to them it would be personal.
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Post by SCMODS on Sept 23, 2011 9:32:48 GMT -5
I TRUELY APPRECIATE every single comment guys. This really friggin' suck. I have a hard time sleeping over this. The Troopers last words to me yesterday,"paint the car all white or all black. What is so difficult about that?" I've tried the soap box preaching method before and all it does is attract more bad press. Last time I tried to fight against something on a legal issue, I prevailed and 2 weeks later found out that my privacy fence was 6" over an easement. Sad truth but there is no winning. Hell if this car brought $50K I still couldn't drive it down my own street. Anyway, hope the new owner is NOT an Indiana resident. I may not be VERY soon.
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Post by SCMODS on Sept 23, 2011 12:32:03 GMT -5
Here is the view of my lane going to our home. Same view I have had for 2 days. You will see a county Sheriff and a city patrol car staking out our neighborhood. They are there for several hours a day and my neighbors are sure I am a drug dealer lol.
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Post by ti4438 on Sept 23, 2011 18:25:40 GMT -5
It seems to me that staking out your BluMo is a complete waste of taxpayer money!
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Post by ti4438 on Sept 23, 2011 18:29:02 GMT -5
This has got to qualify as harrassment!
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Post by Lord Vadus on Sept 23, 2011 20:00:48 GMT -5
Wow, this has to be one of the most discouraging threads I've ever read. How unfortunate that they have nothing better to do than harass you. I've always disliked the law enforcement process in relation to traffic violations and general road rules and this is another reason to dislike it.
My personal idea: get a series of magnetic decals; large ones. Flowers, racing stripes, whatever you can find and put them all over the car so it looks like a mish-mash of random designs and colors. You should be able to easily remove them when you're at a car show then.
On another note, this should serve as a warning to all of us who drive our cars through your state and, especially, your neck of the woods.
I also like the idea of everyone with a Bluesmobile driving the car to your town on a set date, but going a step further. Is there a picnic grounds or a park? If so, it should be reserved for a weekend-long "Blues Fest" that celebrates "The Spirit of the Blues" and features any aspiring local musicians, a public showing of "The Blues Brothers" and, best of all, a multi-vehicle display of Bluesmobiles. If the whole town's invited, then it can't help but gain local media attention.
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Post by sigmfsk on Sept 24, 2011 10:36:32 GMT -5
I also like the idea of everyone with a Bluesmobile driving the car to your town on a set date, but going a step further. Is there a picnic grounds or a park? If so, it should be reserved for a weekend-long "Blues Fest" that celebrates "The Spirit of the Blues" and features any aspiring local musicians, a public showing of "The Blues Brothers" and, best of all, a multi-vehicle display of Bluesmobiles. If the whole town's invited, then it can't help but gain local media attention. I like that too, but before we all do, it would be wise to know exactly what the law is. Since 1992, it the law says that it is legal in New York State for women to walk around topless. Women march this way all the time: articles.nydailynews.com/2009-08-24/local/17930904_1_breasts-central-park-south-columbus-circlebut you can bet they fully understand the law that says they can do it: www.naturisteducation.org/Toni_Egbert_Library/State_Supreme_Courts/NY_v_Santorelli/ny_v_santorelli.htmland they know that just because the law says they can do it, it doesn't mean that the police know that. > As a practical matter, proper enforcement of this section can be a > problem, since local enforcement agents are often unfamiliar with > the case law that interprets the statutory language. naturistaction.org/StatesFrames/State_Laws_Frames/New_York_Laws/body_new_york_laws.htmlSo we might still get arrested, even though we'd break no law: > Artist Jill Coccaro, who goes by the name Phoenix Feeley, tested > the New York law in 2005 after cops arrested her for exposing > her breasts on Delancey St. She cited the 1992 ruling when cops > grabbed her, but was held for 12 hours. She sued. The city later > settled for $29,000. This situation seems similar to how police might say that a two-tone paint job is illegal, but it might not be. Of course, it very well might be illegal, but I think we'd want to know exactly what we were getting into before trying to create a media circus. I think we should have a bluesmobile sit-in in Indiana, New York, and Ontario, as it also allows women the right to be top-free: www.tera.ca/FAQ.htmlyour friend in adding some happy news to the thread, arthur
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Post by AZBlues on Sept 24, 2011 12:23:51 GMT -5
It' a fun idea, but not worth it at this point. SCMODS put the car on ebay right after it was towed, it's already met reserve, will likely be sold, and that's pretty much that for now.
But if I were to write the end of the story myself, I would have him take the money and relocate to another area, find another Monaco in good shape, (and one will come up, they always do) do another one week whirlwind makeover, and enjoy the car in a place where the cops actually give him the thumbs up rather than act like first rate asses. That'd be my ending.
-AZB
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Post by 76bluesmobile on Sept 24, 2011 19:21:24 GMT -5
Bids are up to $7,200 on eBay with 3 days left.
Plenty of cash to rent a bunch of U-Hauls. Indiana must believe that they do not need SCMODS tax money, so he is better off taking it somewhere else just like AZB mentioned. Someday, I hope word of this reaches Danny Aykroyd. I do agree with Art - it would be nice to see the actual statute in black and white.
SCMODS - my Blumo was outrageously well-accepted here in Western PA and I daily drove it for 3 years with nothing more than a few glances from law enforcement. Just a suggestion.
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Post by SCMODS on Sept 24, 2011 19:31:12 GMT -5
Thanks again guys. Looks like we are looking to move out of Indiana. This has been a VERY powerful slap in this tax paying citizens face. Sounds like PA is the place to be lol. Hell, anywhere is better that this. Not just this instance, we have had some poor rulings on state statutes with concerns to land ownership and property laws as well in Indiana. Our time here is up. I WILL find another car the minute we unpack in another state. You can believe that. The only positive thing that has come out of this is that our neighborhood crime rate has dropped by 90% with the increased security lol.
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Post by chitownjohn on Sept 24, 2011 19:43:42 GMT -5
"Hell, anywhere is better than this"
"It's 362 miles to Chicago, we packed our shit, the cops are at the end of the street, It's dark and we're wearing sunglasses"
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