A01 : light package

[sigmfsk]

The bluesmobile didn't have the light package, but many Monacos do. I thought it would be convenient to list what we know about it.

I think I know what they all are, other than
- headlight switch callout with time delay
What is the "callout"? And what does the time delay do? Is that Govier's "headlamp buzzer"?


For the c-body, from the govier's code book:

- day/night mirror
- map/courtesy light
- dome/reading lamp
- glove box lamp
- ash receiver lamp
- cargo compartment lamp
- trunk compartment lamp(s)
- fender turn signal lites
- rear door dome light switch
- lock doors lamp
- ignition switch lamp w/ timer
- warning signal low fuel
- door ajar/lock doors lamp
- headlamp on buzzer
- headlight switch light w/ time delay
- battery condition warning LED (on '74 Fury)

There are several errors there, such as:
- the last item also was on '74 Monaco (the LED warning indicator on the ammeter, to match the LED warning indicator on the fuel gauge)
- doesn't list cigarette lighter light

The Monaco brochure seems correct:

It lists the following (I do some sorting and grouping)

- fender mounted turn signal indicators
- "low fuel" warning LED
- battery condition warning LED

- map light
- glove box light
- right ashtray light
- front seat courtesy lights
- cigarette lighter light
- trunk light

- rear door courtesy light switch
- "door ajar" warning light

- headlight switch callout with time delay
- ignition light with time delay

I put pics of most everything. I'm still too mad about BBC to repost pics of the LED lamps for now.




- fender mounted turn signal indicators


no pic
- "low fuel" warning LED
- battery condition warning LED



- map light


no pic
- glove box light



- right ashtray light
remember that factory installed rag?

Wild stuff.




- front seat courtesy lights - 2 pics




- cigarette lighter light


no pic
- trunk light



- rear door courtesy light switch. The above is the pic of 74 Marin County which did **NOT** have the switch. With A01, the switch to turn on the interior dome lamp when the rear door is opened would be installed here (rear of the b-pillar)



- "door ajar" warning light. The instrument cluster always has the "door ajar" indicator. This feature just adds the bulb, and the switch to enable it. 2nd pic shows switch installed. 3rd pic shows how a car looks with no switch.


no pic. I don't know what this is.
- headlight switch callout with time delay


- ignition light with time delay

This feature adds a housing and bulb behind the flasher unit to illuminate the key area. Without the light package, this is replaced with a black plastic plug.

your friend in having a permanent archive site for Monaco information,
arthur

[tk826]

Although I do not have the "A01" package, I do have the time delay switches.

After the car is shut off and everything is powered down, the headlight switch, the wiper switch, and the ignition light all take 15 seconds to turn off.

(Assuming it is at night and you had the headlights on in the first place)

This option is to allow you time to remove the key and turn off the headlights and wipers, before exiting the car.

[sigmfsk]

Sept 11, 2011 12:25:08 GMT -5 tk826 said:

After the car is shut off and everything is powered down, the headlight switch, the wiper switch, and the ignition light all take 15 seconds to turn off.

Thanks, TK. Are you saying that:
- for all monacos, power to the headlight switch and wiper switch is available only when the key is in the "run" position, except for:
- cars with the delay feature. for these cars, when the ignition switch transitions from "run" to "off", power continues to the switches for 15 seconds (just the switches - not necessarily the devices under control of the switches - each device is still powered directly only by its respective switch).

So, regardless if one has the time delay feature or not, there's no way to leave the headlights or parking lights on forever with the key removed?

So, if one leaves the headlights and wipers on, and removes the key, the headlights and wipers will continue for 15 seconds, at which point power is cut to the switches, at which point power is cut to the headlights and wiper?

I guess that headlight feature is cool. I'm not sure how the wiper feature is helpful, though (what advantage it has over just directly cutting power to the wiper switch when the key is removed).

thanks,
arthur

[Lord Vadus]

My Custom has an odd bit of work; fender-mounted signal indicators without the low fuel LED or the alternator LED. I'll snap a picture later to show what they're like as well as one to show a car with these features.

[sigmfsk]

Sept 11, 2011 13:42:57 GMT -5 Lord Vadus said:

My Custom has an odd bit of work; fender-mounted signal indicators without the low fuel LED or the alternator LED. I'll snap a picture later to show what they're like as well as one to show a car with these features.

That's interesting. I see your tag has

L25 trunk compartment lamp
L31 turn signal lite-hood/fender
L81 door ajar indicator lamp

bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=details&thread=164&post=710

It's like 90% of the lighting package, but not all. It's interesting how all these cars could be configured.

I wonder - does your car have the switch at the rear of the door frame for the door ajar indicator but NOT have the switch at the rear of the b-pillar to turn on the dome lamp when the door is opened?

your friend in thinking it just a bit odd that there two switches for the same thing to be sensed,
arthur

[Lord Vadus]

Here's a pair of gauges with the LEDs; easily seen.

[Lord Vadus]

Alternator gauge without.

[Lord Vadus]

Fuel gauge without (They only allow one image per post.)





I'll check the door jambs of the Custom tomorrow. It's stored away from me, so it takes a little time to get to.

[tk826]

About the delay...

When the key is off and/or removed:

Wipers will not work.
Headlights can stay on.

The three switches will be lit for 15 seconds.

It also seems that the delay timer does not start its countdown, until
the headlights are turned off and the door must be closed.

*I'm wondering if the "Callout" has something to do with the door.
Perhaps the door "calls out" to the delay timer to start the countdown.

.

[Mr Mercer]

This is what it looks like , its next to your turn signal flasher .
Your black plug pic next to your ignition has the clear window in it , looks like mine .
If I open my door the ignition and wiper/lights illuminates . The wiper/lights works if the lights are on too , must be a separate circuit between them . But on Zac's only his ignition lights up and he has the same light pkg as mine unless its that light callout thing that makes the wiper/lights go on too . I've replaced that time delay 3 times and at one time when they weren't working it stopped my lights/wiper from coming on with the lights .

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[countrybunker]

Yea, Ive got the light package with everything mentioned above. However my car does not do the delay with the headlight switch/and wipers. Just the ignition like chris mentioned. Maybe the delay piece itself is broken or something??

[Lord Vadus]

Front door jamb of the passenger-side rear door.

[Lord Vadus]

Rear door jamb of the passenger-side rear door.





Is this what you were curious about?

[sigmfsk]

Sept 14, 2011 10:52:33 GMT -5 Lord Vadus said:

Rear door jamb of the passenger-side rear door.

Is this what you were curious about?

Yes, thanks.

A01 includes the following. I add my best guess as to the fender tag code that would be used to order the feature independently:

L31 - fender mounted turn signal indicators
L75 - "low fuel" warning LED
L76 - battery condition warning LED

L05 - map light
L11 - glove box light
L15 - right ashtray light
?? - front seat courtesy lights
L17 - cigarette lighter light
L25 - trunk light

L61 - rear door courtesy light switch
L81 - "door ajar" warning light

L42 - headlight switch callout with time delay
L65 - ignition light with time delay

You have:

L25 trunk compartment lamp
L31 turn signal lite-hood/fender
L81 door ajar indicator lamp

and don't have A01 or L61. So, at least according to the documentation, I wouldn't think that you'd have the switches (at the back of the b-pillar) to turn on the dome lamp whenever a rear door is opened.

Maybe on the assembly line they always installed all four switches together (2 dome lamp, 2 door ajar). Who knows. It's certainly less strange than that custom dressed up with brougham-only door panels, tail lights, and fuel access door.

All just part of the Monaco mysteries,
thanks,
arthur