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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 17, 2013 20:28:29 GMT -5
On my blumo, I'm thinking of going with 16" wheels. They'll allow me to get much better (and cheaper) high speed tires for the blumo. I put the details here: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/post/11778Stockton wheel offers original blumo style wheels in 16" www.stocktonwheel.com/oem_mopar.html275/60R16 tire is about the same diameter as a 235/75R15 tire. Here are some comparison pics from www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tirecalc.php?tires=235-75r15-275-60r16 The OD is almost exactly the same. It's 40mm wider, and just a tad less sidewall due to the 16" ID. I think one would be hard pressed to notice the difference from a distance. And even if someone noticed, I'm not sure they'd think it was a bad thing. I thought this would be a good opportunity to try out the poll feature and get people's thoughts on those wheels. |
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Post by 58hemifury on Nov 17, 2013 20:47:02 GMT -5
I don't think anyone would notice even if it isn't "correct", these cars are huge and the stock wheels look small on them anyway. If it was a smaller car I'd say it would be a problem. Personally I think the same wheels that Pepto has would be best.
Adam
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 17, 2013 20:54:38 GMT -5
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Post by Steam McQueen on Nov 18, 2013 19:35:47 GMT -5
Safety first. I know you've mentioned this in your build thread, Arthur, but what is the projected top-end for your Blumo?  |
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Post by Lord Vadus on Nov 18, 2013 22:24:01 GMT -5
I'm going to recommend 15" wheels only because, when parked next to other Bluesmobiles, there will be a visible difference in the wheels and it would stand out as a deviation from Bluesmobile aesthetics.
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 19, 2013 5:24:34 GMT -5
I know you've mentioned this in your build thread, Arthur, but what is the projected top-end for your Blumo? Hi Steam: I get 185 mph, and put the calculations here: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/thread/1709/projected-top-speed-blumoThere are two obvious avenues for top speed: - Silver State Classic, where you have 93 miles to get up to speed (corners included) - TX Mile / Ohio Mile, 1 mile straight I'm mostly interested in the TX Mile, as that's where my family is, and I can take all the nephews on high speed runs in a blumo. So the limiting factor is not just the top speed of the car, but the top speed achievable in just a mile. I figure top speed in a mile wouldn't be much more than 149, so limiting myself to 149 with V rated tires wouldn't be much of a limitation. There just seems to be absolutely no tire (either 15" or 16") that looks anything blumo-outside-diameter like that is high-rated than V. |
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 19, 2013 5:33:56 GMT -5
I'm going to recommend 15" wheels only because, when parked next to other Bluesmobiles, there will be a visible difference in the wheels and it would stand out as a deviation from Bluesmobile aesthetics. Thanks LV, that's good thinking, and one of the main reasons for not to jump on the 16" bandwagon. The other reason is that anytime I'm over on the passenger side and see the front wheel, the 16" will bug me due to me remembering this shot: But it will also bug me if I'm driving to TX for the TX mile, and get a flat on one of my V-rated Avon, and then I can't race, because it will take a month to get in a 15" v-rated speed replacement. If I only have one set of wheels/tires for street and racing, the options are: 15" wheels, Avon Turbosteel 70, 235/70R15, speed rating: V 16" wheels, Toyo Proxes ST II, 275/60VR16, speed rating: V If I go with 16" Toyo's, I can get a replacement anywhere. And I'm flip flopping on what I think would be best, and appreciate all the inputs. |
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 19, 2013 5:42:26 GMT -5
Steam, now that I think it through, I don't think there's really a tire safety issue. Each of these is safe, and blumo-approved outside diameter: 15" wheels, Avon Turbosteel 70, 235/70R15, speed rating: V 16" wheels, Toyo Proxes ST II, 275/60VR16, speed rating: V The Avon's are: - original blumo ID - hard to find, and expensive Toyo: - non-blumo 16" ID - easy to find, and inexpensive - allows for bigger brakes - wider than Avon's |
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Post by Sd.Kfz. 400 on Nov 20, 2013 2:29:46 GMT -5
Steam, now that I think it through, I don't think there's really a tire safety issue. I think there is. Lower profile doesn't "bend" so much in curves. I think 16" is good, but 275 too wide. 235/60-65 front & 255/60-65 back. |
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 20, 2013 2:57:24 GMT -5
Steam, now that I think it through, I don't think there's really a tire safety issue. I think there is. Lower profile doesn't "bend" so much in curves. You're right, there are some auxiliary safety benefits, like less sidewall flex, being able to fit bigger brakes, and manufacturers making better handling tires for more modern 16" wheels. I think 16" is good, but 275 too wide. 235/60-65 front & 255/60-65 back. Interesting that you should write that! I've been doing some more searching, and I found these guys: Avon Turbospeed CR27 255/60R16 load index: 103 speed rating: W outside diameter: 28.0 These meet the minimum load rating needed of 101. And are W speed rated to 168mph. They're the same OD as 235/70R15. So I could go 168mph instead of 149mph in the TX Mile. This would be a huge plus for me. Manufacturers have slowly dropped support (stopped making) high-speed-rated tires for 15" wheels: www.ferrarichat.com/forum/technical-q/179508-alternatives-michelin-xwx-205-70-r14.htmlI found that Michelin XWX makes a W rated 225/70R15 tire www.michelin-passion.com/passion/front/templates/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=41&lang=ENand it's the only high speed rated tire still manufactured in something that size. www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/225-70vr15-michelin-xwx.htmlbut it doesn't have the load rating needed. So there's only one 15" > V speed rated tire currently manufactured that would be around the right OD for a Monaco. And it doesn't meet the load requirement. The fact that the XWX is unusable for the Monaco may have done me a favor in pushing me in the 16" direction so that I can get the Avon W rated 255/60R16, and stay at an industry-supported wheel size for at least a few more years. |
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Post by spanks79 on Nov 20, 2013 7:49:42 GMT -5
You have a lot of convincing reasons to go with 16". I agree with 58hemifury, I don't think anyone will notice the difference. What size and kind of tire do you have on the car right now? I know 15". I have had a hard time finding tires I like for my "stock" Monaco build. Most tires in these sizes are truck tires and do not look right on a car, in my opinion. Are you looking for an all around wheel and tire package? I thought at one time you had planned for two different wheel and tire packages? If you don't mind dropping the $$, I would buy one 16" wheel and tire and mount it on the car and see what it looks like compared to the 15" currently on the car.
For what it's worth, when you finally decide on what to do, even if its years from now. If you decide not to use the ultra cool custom blumo wheels you have now. I would like to request first dibs on purchase! Lol
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Post by legendaryacura8 on Nov 20, 2013 11:05:28 GMT -5
Personally, I would say if you had already thought of getting two sets of tires, might as well get two sets of rims. Especially if the Avons you're looking at for performance would be running you 250-300 per tire! I would assume you wouldn't want to use those for weekend cruise wheels. My suggestion would be to have one set of screen accurate (which has been your major concern throughout this entire build) 15" rims with the cheapest tires you can get for just driving to shows or cruising on the weekends, and a 16" rim with the good tires for things like track days or the TX Mile. The only downside I can see to this solution would be that you couldn't fit 16" rim brakes in there, which is, obviously, completely up to you. Unfortunately there's no option in the poll for "get one set of each" so I'm going to have to go with 15" because of how much you've been striving for screen accuracy with everything on the build...
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 20, 2013 14:10:53 GMT -5
Are you looking for an all around wheel and tire package? I thought at one time you had planned for two different wheel and tire packages? My suggestion would be to have one set of screen accurate (which has been your major concern throughout this entire build) 15" rims with the cheapest tires you can get for just driving to shows or cruising on the weekends, and a 16" rim with the good tires for things like track days or the TX Mile. The only downside I can see to this solution would be that you couldn't fit 16" rim brakes in there... You're right guys. Originally, I was thinking of having a set like this for racing: 255/55R18 (29.0" diameter) : racing Read more: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/thread/361/tire-analysis-high-speed-racing#ixzz2lDAHheswBut then I got to thinking: The times at the TX Mile when the car is parked in the pits and actually running the mile are important blumo experiences for me and spectators. If there's any time for the car to look good for pics and remind people of the coolness of old-school blumoness, its there. 18" wheels would ruin the look. I can run the race with: 18" wheels, 255/55ZR18, 29.0" diam, Michelin latitude sport, Y rated: 186mph, cheap tires, non-blumo look. 16" wheels, 275/60VR16, 29.0" diam, Toyo Proxes ST II, V rated: 149mph, cheap tires, almost blumo look. 16" wheels, 255/60R16, 28.0" diam, Avon Turbospeed CR27, W rated: 168mph, expensive tires, almost blumo look. 15" wheels, 235/70R15, 28.0" diam, Avon Turbosteel 70, V rated: 149mph, expensive tires, completely blumo look. I like the 29.0" diam tires better than the 28.0", but the smaller diameter is acceptable. My first choice is to use 15" wheels when racing. There are only a few problems with that: 1) What is cooler, a blumo running 165mph with 16" wheels, or running 145mph with 15" wheels? For max coolness, it might be worth it to go 16". 2) If Avon ever stops making that one tire, I'll be hosed for high speed racing with 15" wheels. I'd then need to switch to 16" wheels, and wouldn't have the benefit of larger brakes. 3) If I got a bunch of flats on the way to the TX Mile with the 15" Avon's, I'd only be able to race at 118mph, because I couldn't get high speed replacements in time. But if I had 16" wheels, I could quickly get some Toyo Proxes ST II and race at 149mph. So with everything that I'm putting into the motor and suspension, and overall spectator coolness assessment, it might be worth it to use 16" wheels since they approve me for 168mph vs. 149mph. One line of thinking could be: - you can get by with 16" during racing, because you really need it for max speed - but for around town, use 15" for screen accuracy, dude! which has a great deal of merit. But if I accept 16" wheels for being reasonably accurate at the TX Mile, I'll probably want to use 16" tires (better handling) for the Steam Blumo CEVS EVOC challenge, and if I'm using 16" for those, I might as well pick to use 16" for around town also so that I can fit larger brakes which would help in both types of racing, and around town. I'm going for the crappy blumo sleeper look, but as soon as I start the motor, I'm not going to be fooling anyone. I don't think 16" wheels would be a deciding factor in people realizing that it's not the typical old beater. That said, screen accuracy is a goal! It's all a (pleasant) decision pickle. |
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Post by sigmfsk on Dec 8, 2013 20:26:41 GMT -5
I noticed that the Japanese blumo has 16" wheel:
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They look like the same wheels. I'm guessing they're the same tires, or at least the same size tires.
I don't like the low-profile look of those wheels/tires. But I think a lot of it has to do with the 235/60R16 being only 27.1" tall. That's 2" shorter than what I'm looking for, so that's 1" less sidewall on top and bottom. And the wheel itself is non-blumo-like. So it's not a great advertisement for 16" wheels.
I hadn't looked at this thread in a while, and didn't see the final poll results until now:
Looks like the '16" is kinda cool' category had some last minute votes!
I'm still flip-flopping on the way to go. For my car, I'm leaning towards being happy that I can use 16" wheels that are pretty darn close to screen accurate when I need them for higher speed rated tires, but using 15" wheels on all other occasions. I'll have the disadvantage of 15" brakes instead of 16" brakes, but the advantage that I can still enter if Steam implements "original diameter wheels only" in the Steam CEVS EVOC Monaco Challenge.
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