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Post by Ghostbluesman (Ghostsoldier) on Oct 26, 2012 17:15:55 GMT -5
Good stuff on this thread...too bad it's over my head! ;D
Rob ('bad pun, Rob...bad pun!')
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Post by sigmfsk on Jan 7, 2013 22:13:02 GMT -5
I thought yours had the ticket light, must have been confused with all that I read on here about them in that thread. Mendocino didn't have one but the current owner added one (it is the correct '74-5 one), headliner is out but he cut the one that he has as a replacement and the original's fabric was loose. I might take it out and do something with the headliner, I want to keep this car as built. So your Mendocino 1975 Fury 4-door sedan has a fabric headliner? Wowsers. I thought all 75's had the hardbacked foam headliner, but it looks like maybe some early year versions still had fabric. Or maybe the assembly line temporarily ran out of foam-backed headliners and used rods for a while. Or maybe Fury's were later to get foams... But if you had the fabric headliner, maybe you'd be interested in getting part of the bulk deal that some of us have been jawboning about. I created a thread on it here: www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=parts&thread=1194
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Post by 58hemifury on Jan 8, 2013 6:31:38 GMT -5
No it's hardback headliner, the fabric is loose from the board. I should have made that clearer. Adam
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Post by 58hemifury on Jan 13, 2013 21:01:05 GMT -5
Excuse me, a fiberglass backed headliner, I didn't realize they were so flimsy until I picked up the car today, I thought they were board headliners more like modern cars. Well it's home with the car and a pick up truck loaded with original and NOS parts, tons of NOS parts and I have a trip or 2 (most likely 2) more to make to get the rest of the stuff. The car doesn't have the siren bracket, which I figured it wouldn't. I didn't get any pics other than what the previous owner sent me, some of which 74furypursuit has already had posted on here, I'll post some of it when it was found and loaded on the truck to come east. The car needs about 40 hours worth of bodywork, lots of typical small dents and very little rot, I'll post the progress once I get going on it. For now I have to inventory all of the parts and get them in safe storage in my garage, that's a job in it's self.
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Post by sigmfsk on Jan 13, 2013 21:23:21 GMT -5
Those are some good pics, 58HF. What a great foundation. Excuse me, a fiberglass backed headliner, I didn't realize they were so flimsy until I picked up the car today, I thought they were board headliners more like modern cars. The headliner on my 76 was lightweight "cardboard", and seemed about as modern as I would expect a car to have. Here are some pics when Country Bunker removed his 75 headliner, and installed my 76 headliner: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=owners&thread=46&post=76Does your 75 headliner look like those? From "fiberglass" backed headliner, it sounds like yours may be different from above? Maybe once you get yours you could take some pics and Country could comment on if it looked the same as his 75 headliner looked.
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Post by 58hemifury on Jan 13, 2013 21:32:31 GMT -5
Those are some good pics, 58HF. What a great foundation. Excuse me, a fiberglass backed headliner, I didn't realize they were so flimsy until I picked up the car today, I thought they were board headliners more like modern cars. The headliner on my 76 was lightweight "cardboard", and seemed about as modern as I would expect a car to have. Here are some pics when Country Bunker removed his 75 headliner, and installed my 76 headliner: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=owners&thread=46&post=76Does your 75 headliner look like those? From "fiberglass" backed headliner, it sounds like yours may be different from above? Maybe once you get yours you could take some pics and Country could comment on if it looked the same as his 75 headliner looked. I can't see the back of those headliners but mine (all 3 that came with the car) are backed by fiberglass very similar to house insulation, extremely flimsy and almost impossible to move without 2 people otherwise they just fold, I'll post a pic next time i get out in the garage, they're on my '57's roof to keep their shape, the curve of the roof is perfect for storing them.
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Post by sigmfsk on Jan 13, 2013 21:38:46 GMT -5
I can't see the back of those headliners but mine (all 3 that came with the car) are backed by fiberglass very similar to house insulation, extremely flimsy and almost impossible to move without 2 people otherwise they just fold, I'll post a pic next time i get out in the garage, they're on my '57's roof to keep their shape, the curve of the roof is perfect for storing them. That sounds quite different. My 76 was easy to take down, and move around with just one hand holding it. Maybe the fiberglass setup was an in-between part number.
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Post by 58hemifury on Jan 13, 2013 21:47:44 GMT -5
Those are some good pics, 58HF. What a great foundation. Excuse me, a fiberglass backed headliner, I didn't realize they were so flimsy until I picked up the car today, I thought they were board headliners more like modern cars. The headliner on my 76 was lightweight "cardboard", and seemed about as modern as I would expect a car to have. Here are some pics when Country Bunker removed his 75 headliner, and installed my 76 headliner: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=owners&thread=46&post=76Does your 75 headliner look like those? From "fiberglass" backed headliner, it sounds like yours may be different from above? Maybe once you get yours you could take some pics and Country could comment on if it looked the same as his 75 headliner looked. Ran out to the garage and took some pics, here's the headliner backing material, layered fiberglass or a similar material.
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Post by sigmfsk on Jan 13, 2013 22:06:33 GMT -5
Ran out to the garage and took some pics, here's the headliner backing material, layered fiberglass or a similar material. And there were no rods holding it up? It looks so flimsy, what kept it from drooping down in the middle of the car? > ...the fabric is loose from the board... I've never heard of that with a standard (cardboard) 75+ hardbacked headliner. This is all very interesting. How about I move these headliner posts to the main headliner thread: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=details&action=display&thread=159
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Post by sigmfsk on Jan 14, 2013 16:58:46 GMT -5
Hi 58HF:
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if you have a 74 fabric style headliner. That fiberglass insulation backing looks exactly the same as the horrendous material that likely gave me cancer when I removed it from my 74s.
I thought that the fabric headliner was a separate piece (part number) from the backing, but maybe it all came together.
Here's the backing side of your spare:
Here's the backing side of 74 Marin's headliner:
and how the roof looked with the headliner down:
Here's a pic of the 74 Fury with a pretty good shot of the insulation (what was left when I pulled down the fabric headliner)
Notice the hole, that shows the weave on the far side - that looks like yours.
When you look at the fabric side of your spare headliners, do they have lines/sleeves for ribs, like this:
or is it completely smooth cardboard, like this:
your friend in spare parts shedding light on things, arthur
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Post by 58hemifury on Jan 14, 2013 22:31:40 GMT -5
I'd agree except when I said fabric I once again had only seen these from a distance, they're actually vinyl glued to that layered insulation stuff and it had no headliner bows. All 3 (2 black, 1 maroon) are the same material, they all have the recessions for the sunvisors which seems pretty standard in all of the pics on here, they're just really flimsy and it appears that the dome light is what holds the center and the moldings hold up the sides. They are stiff enough that supported on all sides and the center they would stay in place, they just are not a solid/stiff as any board backed headliner I've ever seen, they're like a cross between a standard bowed headliner (without bows) and a board headliner.
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Post by Sd.Kfz. 400 on Jan 15, 2013 5:20:12 GMT -5
edit: same material mentioned, my thought was all wrong
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Post by sigmfsk on Jan 15, 2013 20:52:08 GMT -5
...when I said fabric...they're actually vinyl glued to that layered insulation stuff ...had no headliner bows ...they all have the recessions for the sunvisors ...they're just really flimsy ...it appears that the dome light is what holds the center and the moldings hold up the sides. ...stiff enough that supported on all sides and the center they would stay in place, they just are not a solid/stiff as any board backed headliner I've ever seen, they're like a cross between a standard bowed headliner (without bows) and a board headliner. I think you nailed it. It's an in-between hybrid between the fabric w/bows and the nice hardback formed headliner line Country had in his 75. I checked the 75 parts catalog for headliner, and nothing jumped out at me indicating an extra "in-between" headliner, certainly nothing different between Fury and Monaco. Does your Fury have an early build date? If you're comfortable sharing your tag info, we could put it here: www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=details&action=display&thread=164
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Post by 58hemifury on Jan 15, 2013 21:19:10 GMT -5
I think it's a late car, it has a rear sway bar which I understand was a mid-year option. I haven't looked at the trim tag info yet but there is a copy of the build sheet (which it had two of, I found a second while removing the front driver's seat tonight) posted on here somewhere. I'll get the info posted when I have some time.
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Post by countrybunker on Jan 15, 2013 22:19:23 GMT -5
Sorry I'm late to the party! This is the only backside picture I have of the '76 headliner from Arthur I put in. Same material as the '75 one that came out. both 75 and 76 headliners were stiff enough to lift up with one hand, and keep their shape. Actually if they bent, I think they would have broke, and then they would be flimsy with creases. you can see by the picture it is stiff enough to support the ticket light without sagging. hemi- how were the headliners stored? Do they look like they may have been out in the weather? Or got soaked some how? Maybe over time they wore down?? Prolly not, but Idk.. Deff diferent. Or maybe they are an older aftermarket part? I've seen both rod support, and foam backed headliners, and yours seems to be a hybrid. [modified by sigmfsk to add country's comment "you can see by the picture it is stiff enough to support the ticket light without sagging."]
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