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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 12, 2011 21:46:43 GMT -5
There are two main types: 1) ridiculous fabric contraption with support rods = 74 2) nice foam-backed piece = 75+ (or a 1974 Brougham with deluxe interior). more info here: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=reunion&thread=48&post=127A 75 Monaco (such as Country Bunker) had a foam-backed headliner. A 76 Monaco (such as my parts car) had a foam-backed headliner. But apparently there are slight differences. Here's a report from Country Bunker (who bought my 76 headliner as a replacement for his water-damaged 75) > You said your headliner came from a 76 right? If so heres > something different, The normal square dome light has a diff > sized piece of chrome trim around the hole for the light. The hole > is the same size, but the 76 chrome piece is a bit bigger. Also on > my 75 the chrome piece is held in by the plastic square lense > cover, that attaches to the roof, and helps support the headliner > to the roof. Where as with the 76, the trim piece has little metal > tabs that bend around the headliner to hold it in place. Also the > biggest difference is the ring around the hole on my 75 is > attached to the whole back piece of the light. you can see it > dangling in the pics of the roof of the car. Its all one piece, where > as with the headliner I got from you has just the chrome trim > around the hole.. wierd ehh?? and pics from Country. Don't be confused by the ticket light on the 76 headliner. It's not factory - it's Country's bluesmobile add-on. your friend in thinking the foam-backed headliner is cooler in every way, except that it doesn't have the police "zipper option" to access the roof light wiring, arthur
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Post by tk826 on Aug 12, 2011 21:51:07 GMT -5
My '74 (not a brougham) does not have the support rods.
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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 12, 2011 22:04:54 GMT -5
My '74 (not a brougham) does not have the support rods. Interesting! When Lord Vadus mentioned "deluxe interior" option, I wonder if that is the "Luxury Equipment Package": LV's car was built in July 1974: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=details&thread=155&post=642Was yours built late in the year, like LV's? Any thoughts on what lead your car to have foam-backed (did all hardtops have foam-backed?) your friend in learning about more than one foam-backed 74 headliner, arthur
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Post by tk826 on Aug 12, 2011 22:26:31 GMT -5
I can't get to my fender tag until tomorrow, but according to the VIN number, mine was the 8,161 st Vehicle Built.
It looks like Vadus' car was the 156,595 th.
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Post by 440rulez on Aug 12, 2011 23:11:44 GMT -5
1) ridiculous fabric contraption with support rods = 74
And this is still put very mildly... As soon as I find the time (just another 20 years or so from now) to install my new headliner (THE original fabric from back then, presewn), I will definitely install one of these battery-powered 800kW Laser-zappers (yet to be developed), any guest in the car coming closer than 1" to the headliner will have hands zapped off (instant vasculatural obliteration mode which will be mode 268-C when implemented as beta in 2031) no drippin, all clean, if ya know what I mean...
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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 13, 2011 5:20:12 GMT -5
I can't get to my fender tag until tomorrow, but according to the VIN number, mine was the 8,161 st Vehicle Built. It looks like Vadus' car was the 156,595 th. Ahh, I remember now that the 1st car was given a sequence number of 100,001. > Sequential numbers start at 100001 (the first car down that > assembly line at the beginning of that model year). Some > A-bodies in the early and mid '60s started at 500001. maxwedge.com/articles/documenting.phpChiTown John's was the 48,855th, build in 1973. So yours is earlier than that. In the door pocket thread I started thinking about Lord Vadus' car: 1975 headliner 1975 passenger inner fender 1975 door pocket But your 1974 has the foam-backed headliner, and your car was one of the first built, earlier than ChiTown's. Can you see if you have a humpless passenger inner fender and if you have the ChiTown stamped prototype-looking fender support bar instead of the standard round nice-looking fender support bar (or maybe no bar like Marin County). bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=details&action=display&thread=155For the headliner, what about this theory: 1) 4-door hardtops and 4-door sedans would need to have a different headliner (different shape roofs) 2a) 1974-77 hardtops came with foam-backed headliner 2b) 1974 4-door sedans came with the fabric/rod contraption 2c) 1975-77 sedans came with foam-backed headliner In support of this theory, I submit as evidence a page from the 1974 parts catalog: Looking at rows for P,D (plymouth, dodge), this shows different part numbers for sedan (model 41 column) and 4-door hardtop (model 43 column). AND, the hardtop "headlining" is described as "moulded roof". That page also shows the standard 4-door sedan info. I link to the previous page that shows the "zippered" option for 4-door sedan: The parts catalog isn't the end story to anything, but it sure helps with extra clues sometimes, arthur
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Post by tk826 on Aug 13, 2011 13:50:45 GMT -5
Passenger inner fender:
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Post by tk826 on Aug 13, 2011 13:51:38 GMT -5
Fender Support Bracket (Flat style):
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Post by sigmfsk on May 23, 2012 15:59:33 GMT -5
My '74 (not a brougham) does not have the support rods. Hi TK: Are you saying that you have a full-piece foam-backed headliner, like Country Bunker's 75 or 76 as shown in the pics above? LV's 74 hardtop has the foambacked piece, but I chalked that up to being made so late in the 74 model year, that it got a 75 piece. But your car is the second earliest 1974 that we have on record: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=details&action=display&thread=164So I'm trying to see if by "does not have support rods", you mean: 1) a 75 foam backed piece (that never had support rods) or 2) a 1974 fabric piece, but somehow it's attached with something other than support rods. your friend in headliner support, arthur
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Post by tk826 on May 23, 2012 21:07:50 GMT -5
I'm not near the car to give it a close inspection, but I do have this photo... I'm thinking it is the solid piece as there are no seam/rod lines.
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Post by sigmfsk on May 24, 2012 10:51:47 GMT -5
Hi TK: That's a great pic. So your early build-date 1974 4-door hardtop and LV's late build-date 1974 4-door hardtop both have moulded headliners.
I check the parts catalog and that's it! 1974 4-door hardtops had moulded headliners, while 4-door sedans had fabric headliners. In 1975, everything was moulded headliners (although different part numbers since the roof is slightly different).
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Post by sigmfsk on May 26, 2012 12:51:11 GMT -5
1974 4-door sedan headliner is the same for a Monaco and Fury.
Marin County - looking at roof side with disgusting insulation that falls apart and gets everywhere:
Fury - looking at passenger side
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Post by Lord Vadus on May 26, 2012 14:33:03 GMT -5
That does coincide with the special nature of my car; being ordered early and a custom-built one-of-one Brougham. It's still a '74 with the oddest feature I see being the lack of a door pocket.
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Post by sigmfsk on Jun 3, 2012 10:08:06 GMT -5
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Post by legendaryacura8 on Jun 3, 2012 13:00:05 GMT -5
If you are planning a group buy, I'd definitely be interested. If my car is a 75, with the foam headliner, would all of the holes still be there for the supports? And how hard are those pieces to come across (the support rods and the clips)?
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