dm/dh/dp-dk/dl/dt-23,41,43,45,46

[sigmfsk]

I edit this post to correct/make clear that

D = Dodge Monaco - specifically a Monaco, not just any Dodge.
per

For a Dodge Dart, the code is L.

DM = Dodge Monaco (base)
DH = Dodge Monaco Custom
DP = Dodge Monaco Brougham
DK = Dodge Monaco Police
DL = Dodge Monaco Special - Canada only. As far as we know, all Canadian Monaco cop cars were Monaco Specials, but Monaco Specials were also available to the Canadian public (without the special cop stuff).
DT = Dodge Monaco Taxi - Never seen one of these.

23 = 2 door hardtop
41 = 4 door sedan
43 = 4 door hardtop
45 = 2 seat station wagon
46 = 3 seat station wagon

These codes are referenced in the parts catalog:


and some info here:
bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=brochure&action=display&thread=628

and you can see the body style options specifically for monaco here:

from
www.74monaco.com

I got a PM about this regarding the parts catalogs. When you have a page like this:



look at the "D" column, for Dodge Monaco.

When like this:

look for the appropriate body-style column. The codes are also broken down at the bottom of the page:


and when you see "DK" like this:


you know the K represents the police price-class (the VIN "K" code).

[sigmfsk]

I edited the first post to correct/make clear that

D = Dodge Monaco - specifically a Monaco, not just any Dodge.

[sigmfsk]

I've been looking through the 75 parts catalog, looking for the part number for the cardboard trunk protector. Darned if I can find it. I started just reading the catalog at the beginning, and found some interesting info.

Here's the breakdown showing the "model name" (ex: Monaco Police), and "body style" (ex: 23 = 2 door hardtop, 41 = 4 door sedan)

1974:


1975:


1976:


1977:


The 76 and 77 catalogs have engine codes in-between the model and body style columns.

This shows that Monaco specials were available in 2 door hardtop, and 4 door sedans, and only available in 74 and 75.

Monaco Taxi was only available in 74 and 75.

It shows that 76 = Monaco Police, and 77 = Royal Monaco Police (even though both years were hideaway headlights).

And it looks like civilians could get a base "Monaco" in 76, which looks like it was just the civilian version of the "Monaco Police", a stripped down version of the base Royal Monaco.

If you wanted a 3-seat station wagon in 75, you had to get the Royal Monaco.

[sigmfsk]

Here's a chart that helps show how a named mapped to what type of Monaco:



Note 1: Monaco Specials were only available in Canada. All Canadian Monaco cop cars were Monaco Specials, but specials weren't cop only. Civilians could buy them. Similar to how USA cops could buy a Monaco base with "A38" added on to make it a cop package without it being a DK, Canadian cops could get a Special and have cop stuff added, even though it kept the same civilian VIN code.

Note 2: These cars had hideway headlights, but were not Royals.

Note 3:
The CHP did not use any cop monacos in 1976:
www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=police&thread=1010&post=2142

Note 4:
The CHP used b-body monacos in 1977:
www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=police&thread=1010&post=2161

Presumably, this is because they wanted the 440 – which was available in the b-body, but not in the c-body:
www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=police&thread=1010&post=3136


Steam writes:
> I recall the 'Buffalo Collection' seller mentioning that the only Royal
> Monaco police car was in 1977. There's no such thing as a '75 or '76
> Royal Monaco police car, but it certainly leaves the door open for one of
> the cop cars being a 1976 Monaco cop car.

Read more: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=police&thread=252&page=1#743#ixzz2CyDH5h00

From what I see in the chart above, if one got a "DK" vin coded cop car in anywhere in 74-77, it was listed as "Monaco Police".

In 74 and 75, a "Monaco Police" had non-hideaway headlights (as shown in table above).
In 76 and 77, a "Monaco Police" had hideaway headlights (as shown in table above).

But the badging (fender emblem) is a question. In 74-76, the emblem said "Monaco". Clearly for 74-75 this made sense, as they didn't have hideaway headlights.

In 1976, this showed badging as a "Monaco", as this pic:

from
bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=diecast&thread=343&post=231

I can't make out the "DK" in the fender tag here:
bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=cops&thread=410&post=2327

So maybe it could be a "monaco base" with A38 added on.
But here:
www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/9542-selling-1976-dodge-monaco-police-new-york/#entry115543
Steam says "DK41U...", so I'm thinking it's "DK Monaco Police".

In 1976, it seems reasonable that "monaco police" and "monaco base" had just the "monaco" emblem.


In 1977, a "DK" cop car was also listed as "monaco police", but I don't know what type of bading it had. Maybe it had "Royal Monaco" badging, to make it distinct from the b-body Monaco. Or maybe it had just the same "Monaco" emblem like a 76 cop car.

Info from
www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/9000-sold-usa-1975-royal-monaco-donk-ohio/#entry113273
www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=information&thread=376&post=2161
bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=police&thread=252&post=743

[sigmfsk]

Nov 22, 2012 11:57:12 GMT -5 sigmfsk said:

In 1977, a "DK" cop car was also listed as "monaco police", but I don't know what type of bading it had. Maybe it had "Royal Monaco" badging, to make it distinct from the b-body Monaco. Or maybe it had just the same "Monaco" emblem like a 76 cop car.

Here's a pic of a 77 car car : Royal Monaco Brougham. I guess it had the cop stuff added (such as with A38), because a Brougham wasn't a DK.

from
public.fotki.com/copcardotcom/photographs_of_greg/fgs/central_and_souther/in-indiana-state-2.html

But here are a bunch of other 77 c-body Monaco cop cars, and they all have "Royal Monaco" on the emblem. So even though the breakdown for DK didn't say Royal, it looks like they really can be considered "royals".


from
copcardotcom.fotki.com/photographs_of_greg/restored-chicago-pd-cars/1977-dodge-royal-monaco/5415.html


from
www.allpar.com/model/monaco.html


from
policecarwebsite.net/fc/copcarsite/dodge500.html

[legendaryacura8]

The only problem with all of those photos above (except the Indiana State Police car) are reproductions and not pictures that look like they'ere from 1977. Anyone making a clone can make simple mistakes. Also interesting that all 3 of those tribute cars have the license plate mounted to the grill...

[sigmfsk]

Nov 23, 2012 21:04:04 GMT -5 legendaryacura8 said:

The only problem with all of those photos above (except the Indiana State Police car) are reproductions and not pictures that look like they'ere from 1977. Anyone making a clone can make simple mistakes. Also interesting that all 3 of those tribute cars have the license plate mounted to the grill...

Hi Legendary:
I was unsuccessful finding some original pics from the 1970s.

That CPD monaco is described as a
> 440 Magnum police package. Originally a NJ State Police car.

Even though it has been restored (and not civilian car replicating a police car) you are correct that it's not a pic from the 70's, and maybe someone made a mistake during the restoration.

But I think the reason we can believe that they originally had "Royal Monaco" emblems is that the emblems aren't interchangeable.

A royal emblem/fender has 3 studs/holes.
And a regular monaco emblem/fender has 2 studs/holes.

Here's a pic where Country couldn't put his regular Monaco emblem in the holes in a Royal fender.

www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=owners&thread=46&post=6953

Back of a Royal emblem:

from
www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=owners&thread=46&post=6954

Back of a regular emblem (and a Royal on top with one prong broken off)

from
www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=screen&thread=545&post=442

So the fact that these 77 cop monaco restorations all show a Royal Monaco emblem seems pretty good evidence that they originally came with that emblem (because it would take so much work to change the fender holes to fit another type of emblem).

your friend in working the clues,
arthur

[sigmfsk]

Note 1: Monaco Specials were only available in Canada. All Canadian Monaco cop cars were Monaco Specials, but specials weren't cop only. Civilians could buy them. Similar to how USA cops could buy a Monaco base with "A38" added on to make it a cop package without it being a DK, Canadian cops could get a Special and have cop stuff added, even though it kept the same civilian VIN code.

Note 2: These cars had hideway headlights, but were not Royals.

Note 3:
The CHP did not use any cop monacos in 1976:
www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=police&thread=1010&post=2142

Note 4:
The CHP used b-body monacos in 1977:
www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=police&thread=1010&post=2161

Presumably, this is because they wanted the 440 – which was available in the b-body, but not in the c-body:
www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=police&thread=1010&post=3136

---------

Here:
bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cops&action=display&thread=1135#ixzz2EaIbMvuC
Steam writes:
> In the chart it looks like you've got a DK Monaco Police in 1977 with
> (Note 2), " 2: These cars had hideway headlights, but were not Royals."
> Is that correct? It's correct for '76 but not '77, I thought.

Earlier in this thread, we had discussion about whether or not 77 cop monacos had "Royal Monaco" emblems on the fender. We should have just thought to look at the cop brochure:
www.74monaco.com/74-monaco-website/brochures%20-%20pricing%20-%20marketing%20info/monaco%20police%201977/Monaco%20Police%201977-04.html

Anyway, I went through a few books and made some updates to the chart above.

Notes:

- I sorted by two-character VIN code (instead of by price class)

and it looks like I previously just messed up in 1977. I hope to have corrected the errors in the pic above.
- 77 c-body monacos were "Royal Monacos", both in name, and in fender badging.
- 77 c-body Monaco Broughams were no longer DP. They were now DH (the vin code previously used for 74 Customs, and 75/76 Royals).

[sigmfsk]

Here:
www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=movie&thread=95&post=8054

Steam provided the following easy-to-read summary of the most important info in the chart above:

Dodge Monaco C-body

1974 - no headlight doors
1975 - no headlight doors
1976 - Headlight doors. Looks like a Royal.

Dodge Royal Monaco C-body (all with headlight doors)

1975
1976
1977

Dodge Monaco B-body (Dukes of Hazzard)

1977
1978