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Post by sigmfsk on Feb 20, 2013 5:09:55 GMT -5
The propmaster could have removed the branding prior to shooting, to avoid any copyright conflict...there's a notorious lack of branding on a lot of stuff seen on-screen. Can you provide some examples?
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Post by sigmfsk on Feb 20, 2013 5:19:16 GMT -5
There is the silver label version.. and the dark brown version, but there is also the style that Ghost posted above with a sort of tan/ copper label. In the movie screen captures, the label doesn't look as though it is the same shiny silver as the housing itself, and it is definitely not dark brown, so it would seem that the copper-ish label is the way to go. Hi TK: Can you create a new post, referencing the pics you're talking about. I think you are saying that a T93 could have one of two labels: - silver - copperish Whereas I'm currently under the impression that a T93 has only one possible label - silver while a T93B always has - brown (of some shade) I think my question is: Can you please post pics showing your understanding of all possible labels on a T93? I think in this thread, there are only these pics of a T93: and they all seem the same to me. And they seem to match the movie, from your pic:
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Post by tk826 on Feb 20, 2013 13:54:57 GMT -5
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Post by Ghostbluesman (Ghostsoldier) on Feb 20, 2013 15:32:24 GMT -5
The propmaster could have removed the branding prior to shooting, to avoid any copyright conflict...there's a notorious lack of branding on a lot of stuff seen on-screen. Can you provide some examples? Not right off hand, Art...I don't have a copy of the movie to access at this time (I'm at work). ;D It's just an assumption on my part; there are plenty of examples of "shown" branding in the moves (especially the mall)...it's just something I had read once somewhere, of how movie prop-masters would alter labels (and the like) if an on-screen endorsement deal could not be made with particular companies. I always wondered, though, why the Bluesmobile was conveniently "missing" letters of the word DODGE on the front and rear...seems like an oddity that those letters would just 'fall' off. Rob
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Post by sigmfsk on Feb 20, 2013 16:33:26 GMT -5
They appear to be a goldish/tanish color rather than straight silver. Hi TK: If I understand correctly, you are saying: examine these three T93s: 1) silver 2) copper #1 from www.ebay.com/itm/221190090868?ssPageName=STRK3) copper #2 from www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-General-Electric-T93-GE-Deluxe-Toaster-Oven-EUC-/170990857003?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27cfd96b2bYou are saying there are two labels. #1 (silver) #2 and #3 (copper) are the same. I'm not sure about the silver/copper color difference, but there are two different labels. #1 and #3 (biscuits) #2 (baked chicken) Now maybe there is no such thing as silver/copper labels, and all three labels are the same tint. In this situation, I don't know how we could tell what label Ray's toaster had. Or maybe there is such a thing as a silver label and a copper label, and a copper label definitely meant a "biscuit" label and not a "baked chicken" label. Or maybe both labels could come in silver or copper...
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Post by sigmfsk on Mar 8, 2013 10:33:27 GMT -5
I believe there were 7 distinct models of the GE T93 toaster oven.
Here's a chart of the differences I've seen:
We've talked about the label. I believe there were just two: an earlier label (baked chicken), and a later label (no baked chicken).
I got a 21T93 in trade for a poker sign, and found that a 21T93 (and presumably also the 11T93) had a different "power cord exit window" (and extra bottom screw) than the later models:
above is a 21T93
above is a 41T93
above is a 51T93
I don't think we can see the extra screw position in the film. We might be able to tease out the power cord exit location:
I'm trying to smooth-talk TK826 into letting me look at his 1440p version which seems to have more info than the blu-ray version.
your friend in toaster coolness, arthur
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Post by Ghostbluesman (Ghostsoldier) on Mar 8, 2013 14:04:45 GMT -5
Awesome work, Art...I'm gonna buy one off eBay, once we figure out which one is the most screen accurate. Once this is done, I'm going to try to identify the brand of wire cost hanger that Elwood uses in his apartment to make toast. ;D Rob
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Post by sigmfsk on Mar 8, 2013 14:51:28 GMT -5
Once this is done, I'm going to try to identify the brand of wire cost hanger that Elwood uses in his apartment to make toast. ROFL, I'm dying over here. Dude, you're taking things to another level with the screen accurate coat hanger! It's funny, isn't it: One man's GE T93 toaster is another man's coat hanger. Some folks want a screen accurate blumo down to the nth degree, and someone else wants a black & white car. Someone wants a front door opening toaster, and someone else wants a 21T93.
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Post by Ghostbluesman (Ghostsoldier) on Mar 8, 2013 18:29:43 GMT -5
I'm trying to smooth-talk TK826 into letting me look at his 1440p version which seems to have more info than the blu-ray version. Well, I'll admit I'm a pirate (when I need to be), and I found a BB torrent that has these specs: The Blues Brothers 1080p (DTS + DD5.1)MKV(1980)(nl eng subs)TBS (Size: 10.51 GB) Bron: BluRay.X264-AMIABLE Beeld: 1080 (1920*1040) Audio: ENGLISH (DD5.1 & DTS) Ondertitels: Engels, NEDERLANDS Container: x264 (MKV) Berweking MKV: THC Subtitles.NL: RETAIL Bewerking+Resync: THC Category : Video Format : x264HD Source : Retail Subtitle : English subs Dutch subs optional Genre : Comedy Music Cover :Yes Language : English audio It meets most of TK's specs, except it says it's 1920x1040...I'm downloading it now, and will check it out. Your friend in bootlegging BB movies for the sake of clearer movie details, Rob
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Post by Ghostbluesman (Ghostsoldier) on Mar 12, 2013 20:39:17 GMT -5
Love at First Sight...from my 10.5 gig bootleg video... Rob
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Post by tk826 on Mar 12, 2013 20:53:30 GMT -5
From the info you posted...
- MKV - 10.51 GB - NEDERLANDS
... it seems too much of a coincidence not to be the same file.
But it also says "BluRay", yet we've already determined that it has more resolution than Blu-ray, so I wonder what the deal is.
Maybe compare a couple more close-ups?
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Post by Ghostbluesman (Ghostsoldier) on Mar 12, 2013 21:08:02 GMT -5
Yours, from the earlier post: Mine, taken tonight, using WMP at 400% enlargement with a cheapo screen-snap program: Your's still looks clearer, but I'm not sure I have the same zoom level; I notice it's not pixilated, though, like Art's zoomed Blu-Ray shot. This file is also an .mkv file, which always seem to be clearer than regular video formats. Whatchya think? Rob
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Post by sigmfsk on Mar 13, 2013 5:04:16 GMT -5
The spec you posted from the summary: > Beeld: 1080 (1920*1040) Seems odd. Blu-ray is 1920x1080. But we think this is the same file as TK's, which has more resolution than my blu-ray 1920x1080 snap. It might be 1440p, which would be 2560x1440: > The number 1440 refers to the vertical resolution of the picture, > indicating 1440 pixels in the vertical axis. This is understood to be > combined with the standard 16:9 aspect ratio of high-definition > television, indicating a horizontal resolution of 2560. www.wisegeek.com/what-is-1440p.htmRather than guess and compare crops of snaps, what is the resolution of your videos? What is the size of the image when you do a screen shot? > Mine, taken tonight, using WMP at 400% enlargement with a > cheapo screen-snap program: Why 400% enlargement? If you have a snap, simply crop the area, and it should look exactly like TK's. Is your original snap 1920x1080, 2560x1440, or ? Regarding TKs file and your file, I think there are some possibilities: 1) the two files are exactly the same 2) the two files are based on the same source, but have some differences which may or may not result in resolution differences 3) the two files just coincidentally have dutch subtitles and and are 10.51 Gb. Here's a quick way to determine if its #1. Calculate the message digest of each and see if they are identical. If they message digests are identical, then the files are identical (based on the unlikelihood of collisions and computational infeasibility of preimage attacks). There are many utilities to calculate a SHA1. Here's a utility from microsoft: support.microsoft.com/kb/889768support.microsoft.com/kb/841290
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Post by Ghostbluesman (Ghostsoldier) on Mar 13, 2013 22:16:25 GMT -5
Well, I couldn't get the message digest stuff to work (black magic, I tells ya), but I made a fast desktop screensnap capture jpeg of the Elwood/toaster scene, not enlarged, and it says the size is 1920x1080...does that help?
Rob
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Post by sigmfsk on Mar 23, 2013 8:12:20 GMT -5
The spirit of the blues came to visit last night, like a ghost santa claus bluesman. I think ghost, TK, and I all have the same dutch 10.51Gb movie. And it's 1920 x 1040, with exactly the same usable image size and resolution as the blu-ray 1920 x 1080. Here's a snap from the dutch 1920x1040 (reduced exactly 50% for ease of viewing on the board) and the same image from the blu-ray 1920x1080 (reduced exactly 50% for ease of viewing on the board) It looks like the blu-ray has 40 extra vertical pixels, and those extra pixels are all used up with two black bars. TK, I posted this pic: from bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=bbprops&thread=1234&post=8657Which I believe is original maximum resolution crop from the blu-ray (and equivalently, the dutch movie). And you posted this pic: from bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=bbprops&thread=1234&post=8722and it is my assessment that the pic you are showing is not obtainable from the dutch movie. Meaning, the movie does not provide that many pixels of info for the shot you show. It seems that the pic must have been enlarged somehow, either: 1) explicitly, like in my photoshop example or 2) implicitly, such as by expanding the viewing window of the film, and the viewer enlarged it past the point of info available in the film and filled in the missing detail. But maybe you're looking at a different movie, or somehow there's extra info that I don't see how to get. Can you detail how you got the pic from the movie? What size image do you get if you use VLC media player and use the "snapshot" button? your friend in maximum res blumo and blumo related info, arthur
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