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Post by sigmfsk on Jan 20, 2013 15:37:58 GMT -5
Here: www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=moviestuff&thread=1195&page=1TK826 posted an animated gif of the blumo being chased down Lake Shore Drive in Chicago. And we got to talking about how > some idiot at Universal threw out the extra footage back in the > 1980's. The footage is lost, the only reason why they found extra > footage for the 1998 DVD was because someone found an old > preview reel containing an extra 22 minutes. Read more: www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=moviestuff&thread=1195&page=1#ixzz2IY5n09mF> Landis has stated that, when they decided to create the > extended version of the film, it was discovered that the studio > had tossed everything in the dumpster. > The official word is that what is shown on the extended DVD is all > that exists. Read more: www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=moviestuff&thread=1195&page=1#ixzz2IY5v7JAfJust as with all the Mopar build sheets, its sad that all that great footage was simply destroyed. But it seems to me that it wasn't all destroyed. Maybe there's nothing substantial remaining, but we have snippets. There are three sequences in the extra-feature interview on the dvd that weren't in the movie. 1) in the mall, from another angle showing the car run into the drum set 2) driving through Cook County office building: 3) another angle, exiting the building. the following 2 are from the movie: the following 3 are from one continuous sequence in the interviews: Sequences (1) and (3) above are just different angles, so it makes sense that they could use only one angle per scene and these extras wouldn't be shown in the movie. But that sequence number (2) looked pretty awesome, having the blumo swerve around the desk. The only reason I think they might not put that in the movie was all the people on the far end on the other side of the glass. But they could "photoshop" them out of the scene. So if the movie is ever re-released with that scene, you heard the idea here first. And then there's all the footage they have, but didnt' make sense to have in the movie, such as that clearly showing Tommy Huff driving. or interviews with Michael Milgrom. Maybe they'll put together some more snippets for us in the 40 year anniversary release.
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Post by tk826 on Jan 20, 2013 19:23:17 GMT -5
It should be noted that the stuff from "The Making of the Blues Brothers" isn't technically lost movie footage.
The scenes shown above are very likely the same as what was seen in the film, only from alternate angles. Those above shots were taken from the internal documenting of the film production. That stuff was shot (on the side) for the purpose of keeping a record of what was happening at the time, not actually stuff that was filmed through the main cameras.
( The stuff above was shot in 16mm)
The sad news is that no filmed sequences remain. We do however have a partial list of what was filmed and is now lost...
- The Lake Shore Dr. chase. - The extended scene (part of which was shown in the film trailer) of Curtis asking how they are going to get 5000 dollars. - The scene when Murph introduces Jake and Elwood to the Holiday Inn audience. - The extended scene of J&E cleaning themselves up in the mirror of the Palace Hotel's ladies room.
There is also that BtS photo of the BluMo driving down the Eisenhower Expressway (Rt.290) which could have been from another chase scene.
* I've also read about, but have seen no photographic proof of, the filming of these scenes...
* A scene inside a Brothel that occurs sometime before the drawbridge jump. * Elwood putting shaving cream in his mouth at the spray can factory. * "Sink the Bismarck" at Bob's Country Bunker.
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Post by tk826 on Jan 20, 2013 20:45:47 GMT -5
Although much of those "lost scenes" no longer exist (other than in still images) I believe there is still hope to find the daily document footage.
This is what I've been able to put together...
The claim is that Landis, when asked in 1990 by Universal Home Video to "Restore the movie to its original roadshow version", discovered that, in 1985, Universal Pictures had thrown out all of the cuts, trims and the negative.
Presumably this all took place after the disappearance of the Picwood Theatre version, because why restore the length of a film when you already have what Landis has stated was the second preview version of the film
Reportedly over 3 hours long and included an intermission, the Picwood version was cut down from an even longer version of the film that was never shown (publicly).
The extended version that we see today came from a third preview prints, discovered by Universal, that was "13 or 17 minutes longer than the theatrically released version".
When asked (on the other board) in Early 2011, R.K.Weiss stated that he did not know what became of the outtakes and dailies (and they were also not mentioned in the original Landis interview as being thrown out).
(RKW thought they were probably "..stored with the Ark of the Covenant" (making no mention of them being thrown away).
But the thing is... They did see the light of day... at least two times.
Once when producing "The stories behind the Making of the Blues Brothers" (1998), and again in 2004 when making "Unseen-Untold: Blues Brothers".
Both documentaries use different segments of the 16mm stuff. (and then unfortunately narrated over the top of it)
That raw footage came from somewhere and it wasn't from a preview version or from cut segments of the original length movie. And... it surfaced after the other stuff was supposedly thrown away.
So I have a strong feeling that it exists out there... somewhere and it was seen no more than 8 years ago. If the BB's was like countless other films both before and after, there is literally hours of this footage that was taken.
The only way I can see finding where and how much does exist would be to contact the producers of the above documentaries and find out where they got it from (if that's possible)... and backtrack from there.
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Post by sigmfsk on Jan 21, 2013 11:46:53 GMT -5
Ahhh, good stuff, TK. So If I understand correctly, you're saying that the original footage with the main cameras (that might have made it into the actual final film) was shot with 35mm: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavision_camerasSo we have these groups of footages (and I liberally copy your text): 1) all the 35mm footage shot Nobody believes this exists 2) the picwood version: Reportedly over 3 hours long and included an intermission, the Picwood version was cut down from an even longer version of the film that was never shown (publicly). We hold out some hope of this being found sometime. 3) the version from which the picwood version was cut from We don't have much hope of this being found 4) the standard dvd version We have this 5) The extended version that we see today came from a third preview prints, discovered by Universal, that was "13 or 17 minutes longer than the theatrically released version". We have this ------ But in addition to the 35mm footage, there is 16mm footage. > Those above shots were taken from the internal documenting of > the film production. That stuff was shot (on the side) for the > purpose of keeping a record of what was happening at the time, > not actually stuff that was filmed through the main cameras. So the reason that this shot of glasses: Isn't as crisp as this shot of glasses: from www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=bbprops&thread=1047&post=7725is twofold: 1) it's not remastered 2) the original footage doesn't have the same resolution. So the extra 35mm footage is believed to have been all thrown away, although we might hope that there is a reel somewhere that is found. But we have no reason to believe that the 16mm "dailies" were discarded. Indeed, we have strong reasons to believe that > If the BB's was like countless other films both before and after, > there is literally hours of this footage that was taken. I suppose there's not much of a market for it, but I'd certainly love watching it!
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Post by sigmfsk on Jan 21, 2013 13:31:15 GMT -5
Once when producing "The stories behind the Making of the Blues Brothers" (1998), and again in 2004 when making "Unseen-Untold: Blues Brothers". Both documentaries use different segments of the 16mm stuff. (and then unfortunately narrated over the top of it) TK, do you have a copy of "Unseen-Untold: Blues Brothers"? I hadn't heard of it before. www.imdb.com/title/tt0397702/I see a snippet of it here: > Here's a little glimpse of what really went on behind the scenes > of an American classic. SpikeTV's "Unseen + Untold - The Blues > Brothers" has interviews with the remaining cast members, > filmmakers and producers as well as a never been seen before > deleted scene. Wow, instead of a deleted scene, it has a "before deleted scene". I see a few places on-line that presumably have the whole thing for download, but they require running a copy of "ilivid download" which seems rather scary as it appears to be malware: download.cnet.com/iLivid-Download-Manager/3000-2071_4-75739415.html#rateityour friend in virus free computing, arthur
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Post by tk826 on Jan 21, 2013 22:06:22 GMT -5
I have the clip that you found and one other, for a total of about 4 mins.
Other than that I've not been able to find a copy.
* Don't fall for that "ilivid" scam. From everything I've read, that place claims to have every movie ever created, then installs it's crap program on your system allowing you access to their page... which contains nothing.
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Post by 2FAB on Jan 22, 2013 15:22:33 GMT -5
I have a VHS copy of "Unseen-Untold" that I taped from TV. I could make a DVD with my VHS-DVD recorder, but I'm not able to rip the files for uploading or anything.
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Post by sigmfsk on Jan 25, 2013 17:33:17 GMT -5
I have a VHS copy of "Unseen-Untold" that I taped from TV. I could make a DVD with my VHS-DVD recorder, but I'm not able to rip the files for uploading or anything. Just to keep everyone posted, we've had a flurry of PMs between 2FAB, TK826, and myself, and we're all on a mission. Well, my mission is now to just sit back and wait, but I did send some PMs. Stay tuned for unseen and untold updates!
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Post by tk826 on Feb 17, 2013 11:15:53 GMT -5
Update complete. For those interested in more information, please send a PM.
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Post by flcl64 on Feb 21, 2013 15:13:37 GMT -5
* "Sink the Bismarck" at Bob's Country Bunker. But we do have audio of that does that count?
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Post by sigmfsk on Feb 22, 2013 12:44:25 GMT -5
With 2FAB and TK826's great help, I was able to watch the "unseen untold" show. I didn't notice any new video footage, either original 35mm, or the 16mm dailies, but I did see some new still pics: what kind of car is that? Presumably, this is the same car as that shown in the movie (providing a mapping between the close-up of the airbrushed monaco emblem to the driver door star). The blumo "bullet car"! They just call it a "camera car we've specially built that'll do 140mph", but it's the bullet car. I'll create a thread on it. Remember here: www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=information&thread=57&post=4743That I thought I found a match between "Miss Plaid" and "Miss Mall" It's Judy Belushi! the show has her talking over these pics: so it looks like her, and contextually it seems solid that its her. Great exciting info, guys, thanks!
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Post by tk826 on Feb 22, 2013 17:32:00 GMT -5
I think it is a '78 Monaco.
"Bullet car"... I stitched a few frames together in order to get the whole picture. I'll post it in the other thread.
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Post by flcl64 on Dec 14, 2013 18:40:38 GMT -5
So, on my VHS copy of The Blues Brothers I got at the thrift store for 99 cents, right after Mrs. Murphy's "Shit.", rather than cutting to the rainy shot of Curl Up and Dye, it's a brief shot of the Bluesmobile starting up and driving away. I've NEVER seen this shot before, so I'm kinda geeking out over it. But, this version seems to be shortened, no deleted scenes. Where did this shot come from and why isn't it in any extended version? Is it lost footage (Universal Fire) they never were able to remaster? I'm still watching in hope there will be more gems like that.
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Post by Steam McQueen on Dec 14, 2013 22:07:52 GMT -5
^ I'm completely used to that shot, it's on my store bought VHS I've had for 30 years. My DVD is packed away at the moment so I can't check but you're saying that shot isn't in the 25th anniversary edition DVD?
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Post by sigmfsk on Dec 15, 2013 4:21:26 GMT -5
So, on my VHS copy of The Blues Brothers I got at the thrift store for 99 cents, right after Mrs. Murphy's "Shit.", rather than cutting to the rainy shot of Curl Up and Dye, it's a brief shot of the Bluesmobile starting up and driving away. I've NEVER seen this shot before, so I'm kinda geeking out over it. But, this version seems to be shortened, no deleted scenes. Where did this shot come from and why isn't it in any extended version? Is it lost footage (Universal Fire) they never were able to remaster? I'm still watching in hope there will be more gems like that. Hi Flcl: That scene through me for a loop when I first saw it, too. The movie has the regular version, and the director's cut. After Blue Lou runs through the diner towards the door, there are one of two possible quick snippets: 1) regular version: Blumo Driving away, good shot of quarter panel antenna hole: from bluesmobiles.proboards.com/post/12251or 2) director's cut: Blue Lou jumping in the car, good shot of rear passenger upper door panel: from bluesmobiles.proboards.com/thread/1756/rear-passenger-upper-door-panelI'm still watching in hope there will be more gems like that. I believe that for blumo shots, the director's cut is a superset of the regular version - except for this one scene, where the regular and director's cut each show different blumo info. But I might have missed something. And I'm only comparing what's on DVD. Maybe a VHS has different info (which would be a stunning development).
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