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Post by JennyBlues on Dec 1, 2012 7:50:59 GMT -5
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Post by sigmfsk on Dec 1, 2012 9:56:23 GMT -5
Wow, those are some good pics, and looks in quite good shape.
So you and I each have a DK-vin 1974 Dodge Monaco, each believed used by Marin County sheriff's, and:
yours: radio antenna, mine none. yours: A/C, mine none. yours: leece neville alternator, mine small: yours: wide angle dual snorkel (necessitated by leece), mine narrow angle
Very interesting. I wonder if yours will have: - fire extinguisher bracket in front driver floorboard - holes in lower b-pillar for cage mounting - rear door ashtrays screwed shut - wood in trunk by jack for radio mounting
This is all very exciting, Jenny!
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Post by sigmfsk on Dec 9, 2012 21:44:02 GMT -5
Jenny, do you know if yours is Marin County for any reason other than the paint scheme? Maybe it's Mendocino County? Or some other place that used the same paint scheme? I put some information here: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=police&action=display&thread=1148on some writing on the b-pillar in my Marin County. If yours has that, then yours must be Marin County. And even if you don't have that or any paperwork showing the agency, if you had a rear board for the radio like mine, or the fire extinguisher mount in the same place, or the cage mounted in the same place, that might give us some hints. I look forward to hearing all the news when you get it. your friend in MC1 and MC2, and it even fits if it turns out that MC2 = Mendocino County, Car #2 with green & white paint scheme, arthur
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Post by JennyBlues on Dec 10, 2012 1:07:51 GMT -5
Wow, those are some good pics, and looks in quite good shape. So you and I each have a DK-vin 1974 Dodge Monaco, each believed used by Marin County sheriff's, and: yours: radio antenna, mine none. yours: A/C, mine none. yours: leece neville alternator, mine small: yours: wide angle dual snorkel (necessitated by leece), mine narrow angle Very interesting. I wonder if yours will have: - fire extinguisher bracket in front driver floorboard - holes in lower b-pillar for cage mounting - rear door ashtrays screwed shut - wood in trunk by jack for radio mounting This is all very exciting, Jenny! Thank you Arthur, our cars do have their differences dont they, pretty strange. This is very exciting indeed, I cannot wait to see if it has the department added similarities. Jenny, do you know if yours is Marin County for any reason other than the paint scheme? Maybe it's Mendocino County? Or some other place that used the same paint scheme? I put some information here: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=police&action=display&thread=1148on some writing on the b-pillar in my Marin County. If yours has that, then yours must be Marin County. And even if you don't have that or any paperwork showing the agency, if you had a rear board for the radio like mine, or the fire extinguisher mount in the same place, or the cage mounted in the same place, that might give us some hints. I look forward to hearing all the news when you get it. your friend in MC1 and MC2, and it even fits if it turns out that MC2 = Mendocino County, Car #2 with green & white paint scheme, arthur actually no I don't have any paperwork. I just assumed it was Marin county due to the paint scheme, antenna placement and door decal. But I am about 95% sure that it was a Marin County car not a Mendocino county car. Obviously I cannot check the door for the writing or the trunk for the wood panel or the fire extingusher just yet. But I am now more eager to find out! I hope I can find it's build sheet! Now to explain why I am almost positive the car was Marin county. my 6 reasons: 1. the door decal. The door decal on the Mendocino car appears to be a very sharp star,like CHP's! The mondecino stars arms ar longer as well. The Marin county star decal seems to be wider, fatter and rounder. also please note that the Marin star is straighter at the bottom than the other star.The Marin county decal fits right over perfectly on my painted over star. 2. my police antenna placement is in the same spot as yours! Mondecino doesnt have antenna there. 3. Marin county uses one drivers side spotlight, Mondecino uses dual spotlights. Arthur does yours have single, dual or no spotlight? 4. Marin county doesnt seem to be consistant with their paint scheme or uniformity, which would explain my doors not being white, this bronco not being green and the Marin 71' Plymouth having spotlight on roof instead of A pillar. 5. I think I would have those cool split bench seats if mine was Mondecino and possibly black interior instead of green. 6. Mondecino has vent windows and no passenger side mirror. Yours and mine; don't have vent windows and do have the passenger side mirror. even the marin Coronets had the passenger side mirrors.
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Post by sigmfsk on Dec 10, 2012 6:14:42 GMT -5
Hi Jenny: I think the door star pic you put together is a good indicator of Marin County'ness. > 3. Marin county uses one drivers side spotlight, Mondecino uses dual > spotlights. Arthur does your have single or dual or no spotlight? This statement confused me for a bit, until I realized you were using the term "Marin County" as the government entity. So, at least for this conversation, lets define: MC1 = arthur's car MC2 = Jenny's car Marin County = the government entity Then I can say that MC1 had factory dual spotlights, so it appears that Marin County wasn't consistent with single/dual spotlight installations. I added some spotlight pics to my thread: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=owners&thread=45&post=7694your friend in continuing the MC2 investigation, arthur
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Post by JennyBlues on Dec 10, 2012 11:02:42 GMT -5
I agree about the door decal pic. But we cant rule out other agencies just yet. It could have been Marin County Marshal or Corrections. It could still possibly be a whole other county other than Marin and Mendocino, who also used the green/white paint scheme. Who knows, the investigation continues! This is half the fun right? Arthur, I apologize for the confusion, I was up really late! Lol! Anyways I meant to say that MC2 appears to only have had a single spotlight on the drivers side, due to I see no hole in the passenger side A pillar inside or out. It also appears to have an exterior Unity mount,not the cool factory mount. Am I correct?
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Post by sigmfsk on Dec 10, 2012 17:59:28 GMT -5
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Post by sigmfsk on Dec 14, 2012 7:24:39 GMT -5
Hi Jenny: I didn't think your bracket: looked like a 216 bracket: Because the 216 bracket had the mounting screw surface "curved around" from the main surface. i.e, the screws are 30 degrees off the center of the spotlight shaft. But this: from bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=cops&thread=914&post=6137strikes me more like the concept behind your mounting bracket. It would make sense that MC2 had a spotlight installed at Marin County after they received it from the factory. Maybe its a 1974 bracket for a different model car? Were there other manufacturers of spotlights other than unity? This will all be easier once you get the cars and parts; I was just thinking out loud.
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Post by JennyBlues on Dec 14, 2012 22:19:54 GMT -5
Oh come on Arthur! I thought you were the Monaco expert! but seriously, Thank you for all your help! I enjoy your thinking outloud. It would make sense that MC2 had a spotlight installed at Marin County after they received it from the factory. Maybe its a 1974 bracket for a different model car? Were there other manufacturers of spotlights other than unity? This will all be easier once you get the cars and parts; I was just thinking out loud. Why would it make sense, if yours has factory installed ones and mine doesn't? You are correct this will all be much easier once I have the car and parts in my hands.
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Post by sigmfsk on Dec 15, 2012 0:57:14 GMT -5
It would make sense that MC2 had a spotlight installed at Marin County after they received it from the factory. Maybe its a 1974 bracket for a different model car? Were there other manufacturers of spotlights other than unity? This will all be easier once you get the cars and parts; I was just thinking out loud. Why would it make sense, if yours has factory installed ones and mine doesn't? You are correct this will all be much easier once I have the car and parts in my hands. Your car and my car have some significant order differences: yours: radio antenna, mine none. yours: A/C, mine none. yours: leece neville alternator, mine small: yours: wide angle dual snorkel (necessitated by leece), mine narrow angle So mine having a factory installed spotlight, and yours having a department installed spotlight doesn't seem that strange. When I said: > It would make sense that MC2 had a spotlight installed at Marin County > after they received it from the factory. I was really saying: - the car had a spotlight installed at one time, because: -- hole in exterior chrome a-pillar trim -- spotlight and hardware on seat - the spotlight was not installed at the factory, because: -- spotlight hardware on seat is not factory interior 215 mounting bracket -- and it looks like the hole in exterior chrome a-pillar trim does not line-up with factory hole (the hole is not centered on the trim; its more rearward like a 216 hole). Given that a spotlight was installed, and that it was not installed at the factory, when can we assume that the spotlight was installed? I'm guessing around the time the department received it (meaning, they didn't wait 5 years to install a spotlight). So the spotlight hardware is likely circa 1973-1974. So I was wondering if there were any other manufacturers of spotlights in 1974. Or if Unity had any 1974 exterior mounts that looked like yours. your friend in clarifying train of thought posts, arthur
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Post by 58hemifury on Dec 20, 2012 12:44:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure on California but in NY in the past (it's changed in the last few years) had a standard color for county sheriff cars, all cars were red and white, no matter what county had them. If that's true Jenny's car could be from any county in California other than Mendocino which you guys already ruled out. Another Mendocino difference by the way is they had white decklids.
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Post by JennyBlues on Mar 3, 2013 2:12:43 GMT -5
BAD NEWS BOYS! I received my tax refund, so I decided to call and arrange for final payment and pick up/shipping of MC2. The seller of MC2 decided he no longer wants to sell the car and backed out of the sale. I did receive a full refund of what I had already paid him. I am very upset and sad over it. I was really excited and looking forward to finally get it home after waiting for so long, I was very pleased with the car.
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Post by tk826 on Mar 3, 2013 2:41:11 GMT -5
I'd be downright pissed off.
You sold the other one to make room for this one, had a verbal agreement, handed over nearly all of the payments, and I'm guessing a paper trail to show what had transpired, and I'm sure there was definitely an electronic record of the transaction.
If I was the seller I'd be worried that a lawyer was about to become involved.
I feel for ya'. Nearly the same thing happened to me back in the late 80's. I was on my second to last payment for a '67 Camaro from a friend who was selling it to pay off a student loan. He used my money to pay down the loan, and then decided he didn't want to sell it any more. We had to make arrangements for him to make incremental payments back to me to get the money back.
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Post by sigmfsk on Mar 3, 2013 5:27:47 GMT -5
I'd be downright pissed off. I think TK is too nice. I'd be massively overwhelmingly pissed off. And I actually AM that pissed off, because I'm pissed off for you, and also selfishly being pissed off for me. This car, and you owning it, has a special place in my heart. When this car was offered for sale on e-bay, before you bought it, TK and I talked about the car, and how cool it was, and how he thought of getting it, and how I thought of getting it. I think it was mostly idle "what if" type of talk, but we did talk about it. I was thinking about it because of the extra Marin County history involved, and it was in better condition than mine. But, in the end, I just hoped that someone that enjoyed the history like me would buy it, and somehow find our board, and share the history and we'd all get to learn in what we knew about these Marin County cars. And that person was you, and you came on like gangbusters with your knowledge and help. Well, I don't know what to say or do. It's your transaction and I won't institute any "Laguna Matt" style floormatting without your approval. Please keep us posted with whatever progresses.
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Post by 58hemifury on Mar 3, 2013 9:04:19 GMT -5
That SUCKS! I'd be above and beyond pissed off. If you had some sort of legal agreement you could possibly do something about it but it'd be a major pain since you'd have to make any legal actions in the state the car was sold in. When did you last contact him before him changing his mind? I've had cars sold out from under me and it sucks. Most likely someone offered more money and he sold it to them. I don't know your financial situation but there's always 74furypursuit's stripped out rust free '74 Monaco in CT. I don't know your skill level either but just the cost of bodywork alone on a car with any rust in the floors and 1/4s make his car a good deal in my opinion. If you want to make arrangements with him I could go check it it out for you, he's mot that far from me and Tom and I have spoken a few times, he told me about my Mendocino Co. Gran Fury. His car also being a Mendocino car (correctional), would make it cool too (we'd have sister cars). His was a piggyback order on CHP so it's got the cool siren bracket and whatnot. There's a thread on here somewhere about it. Adam
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