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Post by fordjockey on Oct 16, 2011 0:38:18 GMT -5
I was writing a story on my car and forgot I had some info on how many cars and the price of a Monaco then. The CHP bought 2 orders one early and one late totaling 1650 police package cars. The bid price was $3517.00, which in today dollars would be $15550.00  interesting. My car was built on that spec on Jan 31. 1974. |
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Post by sigmfsk on Oct 16, 2011 1:01:41 GMT -5
The CHP bought 2 orders one early and one late totaling 1650 police package cars. The bid price was $3517.00... Hi Ford: Here's the list that I have of CHP purchases:  from: www.highwaypatroltv.com/CHP-AcademyTour/A21.htmThat corresponds with your info totals. What about the two purchases? Do you have time frames or data on how the purchase was split, or how many other cars piggybacked on them? On BBC you wrote that my Marin County car would have been piggybacked on the larger CHP order. Here bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=details&thread=170&post=1857I ask if the CHP had any 76 or 77 c-body monacos. It looks like the CHP didn't order any monacos in 76. In 77, do you know if the CHP monacos were c-body or b-body? thanks, arthur |
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Post by Steam McQueen on Oct 16, 2011 18:58:58 GMT -5
In 77, do you know if the CHP monacos were c-body or b-body? Did you mean Royal Monaco?  There's no such thing as a '77 C-body Monaco and the CHP did not use Royal's. The '77 CHP were B-body Monaco's.   |
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Post by Steam McQueen on Oct 16, 2011 19:13:30 GMT -5
That purchase list is excellent info. I just noticed the last line ... VOLVO's?? I honestly never knew the CHP used Volvo's. Of course they only purchased 10 of them (did they buy more?) but still, crazy stuff.  |
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Post by sigmfsk on Oct 17, 2011 3:17:37 GMT -5
In 77, do you know if the CHP monacos were c-body or b-body? Did you mean Royal Monaco? There's no such thing as a '77 C-body Monaco and the CHP did not use Royal's. The '77 CHP were B-body Monaco's. Ahhhh, good info! CHP did not use Royals. So the CHP used c-body Monacos only in 1974 and 1975, and they were both the base (well, K code police base, not royal). And the 77 Monacos referred to in the list above were b-bodies. The list says "Monaco" instead of "Royal Monaco", but I considered that the list author may have been summarizing and didn't know the difference between the two. It's good to know for sure; I'll update the steering wheel chart. thanks, arthur |
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Post by Steam McQueen on Oct 17, 2011 16:00:34 GMT -5
I wonder why the CHP went with the B-body Monaco instead of the C-body Royal Monaco in 1977. Maybe they thought the Royal looked too fancy with the headlight doors? They certainly wouldn't have had the problems the CPD did with them freezing in the winter. I think I read somewhere that the CPD actually removed the headlight doors altogether because of the freezing problems. Thanks again for posting that purchase sheet. My 1st choice would of course be the '74 Monaco but 2nd would be the '69 Polara. It was apparently the fastest cop car out there until the '94-'96 Caprice 9C1 LT1. Now I believe the Hemi Charger cop car is the fastest around. Recognized top speed of 150mph but I remember an article saying it went even faster than that. Michigan State Police tests had the Charger doing 0-60 in 5.83 seconds and 0-100 in 13.65 seconds. Not too shabby for a big heavy cop car. - The CCdC store has some cool stuff with the 1974 Monaco CHP including a framed print, mug, cap etc. ...    - www.cafepress.ca/copcardotcom.10970422 |
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Post by sigmfsk on Oct 18, 2011 4:57:43 GMT -5
> Michigan State Police tests had the Charger doing 0-60 in 5.83 > seconds and 0-100 in 13.65 seconds. Not too shabby for a big > heavy cop car. I see some stuff on the MHP testing here: www.allpar.com/squads/police-cars/MSP-cars-2011.htmlI once drove a Honda S2000 in Michigan in the middle of winter, and there was an overpass that I couldn't drive over. It was so slippery, I just slid back down. Light car + wide summer tires = big problem. I expect that the MHP uses more appropriate tires on their Chargers, but I don't understand why they don't have traction problems in winter. Maybe the Charger has traction control, and that, with snow tires, makes it bearable. But that doesn't explain why the "car be able to drive on slipper roads" category is not part of the scoring system in the tests. > The CCdC store has some cool stuff with the 1974 Monaco CHP > including a framed print, mug, cap etc. ... Now, it seems that we may not know exactly what the upper horizontal support bar looked like on a 74 CHP (the bar that went from the pushbar to the bumper) - whether it was horizontal like on the bluesmobile, or angled, like on this car. Maybe anything from 0 to 45 degrees were done on real cars, and it depended on who was welding it. But I do feel comfortable saying that the bottom support on this car is not correct. I'm sure that all bottom supports went to the subframe. I don't think we have any evidence of a CHP pushbar attaching to the bumper. The only hint of evidence is the bluesmobile, which attached to the bumper and the subframe. We talked some about this here: www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/5864-pushbar-questions-and-answers/page__view__findpost__p__116957440Rulez's car didn't have holes in the bottom of the bumper before the restoration. My car didn't have holes in the bottom of the bumper. Now it wouldn't surprise me if some 1974 CHP Monaco had the pushbar attached the bumper, but certainly it continued to the subframe. JKNLWUD posts that his research showed that all pushbars were tied to the subframe: www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/5864-pushbar-questions-and-answers/page__view__findpost__p__117050That happens to be the same thread that I posted the CHP car order list: www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum/topic/5864-pushbar-questions-and-answers/page__view__findpost__p__117457your friend in only buying 1974 CHP Monaco merchandise with accurate pushbars, arthur |
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Post by tk826 on Oct 18, 2011 13:12:17 GMT -5
That is in fact 440Rulez's car in the framed print.
From what I understand, in 1977 California, you could not get a 440 engine,
so the CHP decided to drop the Royal Monaco.
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Post by Steam McQueen on Oct 18, 2011 14:57:10 GMT -5
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Post by Steam McQueen on Oct 18, 2011 15:02:01 GMT -5
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Post by sigmfsk on Oct 18, 2011 16:46:54 GMT -5
That is in fact 440Rulez's car in the framed print. Ahhhh, well that's a rockin' car. I think the pushbar is a little off, but it's a beautiful car, and I think 440Rulez is great, as he's been helping me with questions here and there I have on his car. When I finish my research, I'll do some posting on it. From what I understand, in 1977 California, you could not get a 440 engine, so the CHP decided to drop the Royal Monaco. Hmmm, are you saying that a 440 engine was not available on any car, so they chose the b-body Monaco because it was lighter? Or are you saying that a 440 engine was not available in a Royal Monaco, but was available in a b-body Monaco, so they chose the b-body so they could get the 440? Based on the info here: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=police&thread=251&post=262I thought a high performance 440 was available on a c-body in California, but if the CHP didn't order any, probably nobody ordered any. Maybe that post should read 1977 b-bodies (had 440 motors with lean-burn in 49 states, and without lean burn in California). Do you think that's the reason they didn't have the Royal Monaco in 1976 also? your friend in CHP discussions, arthur |
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Post by tk826 on Oct 21, 2011 11:00:58 GMT -5
From what I have been able to gather, the 440 wasn't available in California, no mater what the car.
Because of this, the CHP chose to go with the smaller body in an effort to maintain the same power/speed.
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Post by sigmfsk on Oct 23, 2011 15:30:04 GMT -5
From what I have been able to gather, the 440 wasn't available in California, no mater what the car. Because of this, the CHP chose to go with the smaller body in an effort to maintain the same power/speed. I have a 76 police brochure, but not scanned yet. And I don't have a 77 brochure, but it looks like the 440 was available in California both years, but not the 400. Board member "Lurker" keyed me into this 1977 CHP-spec b-body Monaco with 440: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=cops&thread=405&post=2270I think this motor would have been available in a royal monaco if the CHP had wanted it. I'll dig in more when I get all the 74-77 police brochures. thanks, arthur |
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Post by sigmfsk on Jan 30, 2012 17:09:03 GMT -5
From what I have been able to gather, the 440 wasn't available in California, no mater what the car. Because of this, the CHP chose to go with the smaller body in an effort to maintain the same power/speed. From the 77 police brochure on www.74monaco.comSo, in 1977, the 440 was only available in the c-body (Royal) Monaco in 49 states (where the elevation was below 4000 feet). California couldn't get the 440 in a c-body Royal Monaco (although they could get it in the b-body Monaco at any altitude). |
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Post by sigmfsk on Jan 31, 2012 5:48:50 GMT -5
So, in 1977, the 440 was only available in the c-body (Royal) Monaco in 49 states (where the elevation was below 4000 feet). California couldn't get the 440 in a c-body Royal Monaco (although they could get it in the b-body Monaco at any altitude). But California could get the 440 in a c-body Gran Fury. That is a weird Monaco / Fury difference. Following, from the 77 police Fury brochure: |
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interesting.
There's no such thing as a '77 C-body Monaco and the CHP did not use Royal's. The '77 CHP were B-body Monaco's.
. Although I don't think the cop cars use the big Hemi, just the 5.7 Hemi. Here's some of the recent MSP test numbers.