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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 14, 2011 20:33:51 GMT -5
A cop car could come with an extra interior dome light (the ticket light). This would be the F42 "additional dome lamp" fender tag code. CHP cars didn't come with the extra light (they had a ticket light mounted to the shotgun mount which mounted to the dash). The movie bluesmobile sometimes has it, and sometimes doesn't. King of the Hill is a good example of the 74 setup: This Fury: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=cops&thread=34&page=1is a good example of the 77 setup: I don't know when the setup changed between 74 and 77. I think 76 used the same as 77. Here's an example of the 77 setup in the movie: At CEVS, 177ellwood pointed out that car #70 (the SCMODS pullover cop car) should have had the 76/77 ticket light, but it has a 74 style ticket light after it crashes in the mall: If it had a "Royal Monaco" fender emblem it could be a 76 or 77. If it had a "Monaco" fender emblem, it would need to be a 76 (if the car was stock and not a movie switchover), but the car didn't have an emblem during the chase before the mall. I don't know if the car was a 76 or 77, but I think either way it should have had the larger ticket light. your friend in extra lighting, arthur
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Post by Steam McQueen on Aug 14, 2011 23:19:56 GMT -5
Hey Arthur, it looks like both mall cars, #10 and #70, had 1977 rear bumpers. Then I thought I might have spotted a morph with car #10 not having the rubber tips. Or even the bumperettes for that matter. Those are inferior screen grabs from youtube so maybe the Blu-ray could shed some more light on that. I recall the 'Buffalo Collection' seller mentioning that the only Royal Monaco police car was in 1977. There's no such thing as a '75 or '76 Royal Monaco police car, but it certainly leaves the door open for one of the cop cars being a 1976 Monaco cop car. It's a pretty good bet there were two of each cars, #10 and #70, ready to go for the mall scene so maybe we're seeing the Troopers driving different cars in different scenes, a '76 Monaco and a '77 Royal, which might explain the different ticket lights. There's also a possibility of clones being used, to save the actual squad cars for later scenes. A '74 ticket light could have been screwed in to a '77 clone just for aesthetics. The prop guy might have thought, "Meh ... who's gonna notice THAT?" lol ;D Whaddya think?
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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 15, 2011 6:00:46 GMT -5
> Hey Arthur, it looks like both mall cars, #10 and #70, had 1977 > rear bumpers. > Then I thought I might have spotted a morph with car #10 not > having the rubber tips. Or even the bumperettes for that matter. Ahhh, good thinking. I'll take a look tonight. > I recall the 'Buffalo Collection' seller mentioning that the only > Royal Monaco police car was in 1977. > There's no such thing as a > '75 or '76 Royal Monaco police car, but it certainly leaves the door > open for one of the cop cars being a 1976 Monaco cop car. Ahhh, so: in 74, the royal monaco didn't exist 75 cop monacos were "monacos" (bluesmobile-ish style front end), never "royal monacos" (hideaway headlights) (according to buffalo collection) 76 cop monacos were "monacos", not royal monacos (basically the same, but with monaco being a lower style class). The "royal monaco" was available, but no police agency used it (according to buffalo collection). Like this guy: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=information&thread=67&post=23177 cop monacos were "royal monacos" (the "monaco" was now a b-body car). > It's a pretty good bet there were two of each cars, #10 and #70, > ready to go for the mall scene so maybe we're seeing the > Troopers driving different cars in different scenes, a '76 Monaco > and a '77 Royal, which might explain the different ticket lights. > There's also a possibility of clones being used, to save the actual > squad cars for later scenes. I believe that 177ellwood was thinking that in the crash scene, the troopers were sitting in another car (maybe even a bluesmobile), hence the 74 ticket light. But it looks like car #70 has the 74 ticket light when it pulls over the bluesmobile. I'm not really sure, though. That light floating in the air is the original blu-ray resolution zoom-in of the light above. Now we still don't know that this shot is of car #70 (maybe the troopers are sitting in another car), but at least it shows lights on the roof, so we know its not a bluesmobile (or at least an unmodified bluesmobile). > A '74 ticket light could have been > screwed in to a '77 clone just for aesthetics. The prop guy might > have thought, "Meh ... who's gonna notice THAT?" lol ;D That's what I'm thinking. When the movie was made, the 77's were probably less torn up than 74's, hence the 77's typically looking more correct (like the spotlight handle orientation). But when something didn't work, the prop guy just installed whatever part was lying around. I found this other pic of a 77 monaco with ticket light:
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Post by Steam McQueen on Aug 15, 2011 16:06:10 GMT -5
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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 15, 2011 17:04:21 GMT -5
Nice pics, Steam .
So 74/75 police c-body monaco look very similar (regular bluesmobile style front end)
and a 76/77 police c-body monaco look very similar (hideaway headlight front end).
An F42 ticket light looks the same on a 76/77.
I'm guessing a 75 ticket light looks like a 74 ticket light. Do we have any info on that?
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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 15, 2011 19:36:44 GMT -5
Then I thought I might have spotted a morph with car #10 not having the rubber tips. Or even the bumperettes for that matter. Hi Steam: You have a good eye. I looked at Car #10 and Car #70 from the Funeral Home through the end of the mall. And most of the scenes looked like they had black 77 rear bumper tips. I slowly narrowed it down to only 2 scenes that looked like they may have had no tips. This one: where I eventually found this particular frame where I convinced myself that the tip closest to the camera was there. It was tricky to see at certain angles - and this was with the car not being blurry. and your scene, shown here in a blu-ray crop: The blu-ray doesn't help so much with this, because of the fast blurry motion. I never could verify a tip was there, but I was able to detect the right bumperette after the car slows slightly just as the scene ends: Since it was so hard to see the bumperette, I'm going to say that the scene is just too blurry and we don't have sufficient evidence to believe that a tip was missing. I did see that Trooper Mount & Daniel's car has the 76/77 ticket light in two scenes: So there was clearly some morphingness going on, because they don't have it at the end: When the 76/77 monacos morph, it's just due to a ham handed prop guy. When the bluesmobile morphs, it's because it's magical. your friend in believing in the spirit of the blues, arthur
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Post by AZBlues on Aug 15, 2011 23:40:13 GMT -5
I've also noticed a sizable morph in the flipped mall car: It has no engine, transmission, or gas tank. Must have been a hell of a chase for all that stuff to have fallen out. -AZB
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Post by yellowrr on Mar 30, 2012 22:08:52 GMT -5
Just an FYI: If I remember correctly, ALL of the cars (Well, at least the cars that most police departments might have used) had the wiring for the "ticket light" above the headliner. When I found a ticket light at a swap meet, I dreaded trying to snake the wires down the a-pillars or having to remove the headliner to get the wires threaded down to the dash. BUT - when I looked at the "body wiring" section in the factory service manual I discovered that the wires were probably already there. I took a sharp razor blade and carefully sliced an exploratory hole and sure enough, there was a plug that fit the ticket light already taped to the roof support right where the service manual said that it would be! It was almost too easy to install!
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Post by sigmfsk on Mar 31, 2012 19:42:03 GMT -5
Hi Yellowrr:
177ellwood was telling me a similar story about his daily-driver ex-cop car (not his Monaco) that he was able to reconnect up the wig-wags by looking behind the interior panels in the right spot.
Here's how my 74 Fury looks with the ticket-light wiring:
The ticket-light wiring is soldered into the main dome-light wiring and all hidden nicely inside a black heatshrink. This pic is interesting also for the roof reinforcement. I haven't seen the details of that before.
your friend in cop features, arthur
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Post by sigmfsk on Oct 16, 2012 18:51:34 GMT -5
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Post by legendaryacura8 on Oct 19, 2012 17:33:34 GMT -5
So if I'm looking to just go ahead and get a ticket light installed, and I have a 76/77 model, will I still be able to install a 74/75 with the same holes I cut, or will I need a new headliner to fit the bracket and proper mounting spot?
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Post by sigmfsk on Oct 19, 2012 19:16:24 GMT -5
So if I'm looking to just go ahead and get a ticket light installed, and I have a 76/77 model, will I still be able to install a 74/75 with the same holes I cut, or will I need a new headliner to fit the bracket and proper mounting spot? Hi Legendary: If I understand correctly, you're saying: - you have a 76/77 Monaco (which has foam backed headliner) - which is a civilian model (so it doesn't have any holes cut for a 76/77 ticket light) - and you want to install a 76/77 ticket light and the question is: Will you then later be able to install a 74/75 ticket light into the foam backed headliner and have it not look out of place? The answer, I think is no. It wouldn't look like a 74, because it wouldn't have a fabric headliner. It wouldn't look like a 75, because the holes for the 76/77 ticket light would be visible, as the 74/75 ticket light is much smaller in diameter. It wouldn't look like a 76/77, because they didn't have 74/75 ticket lights. Looking at these pics: It looks like the ticket light was attached with 3 screws which screwed into "speed nuts" which were mounted in the headliner. So these three holes would be visible when installing the smaller 74/75 ticket light And note the wiring harness from the 76/77 is on the outside edge of the light. The hole through the headliner for that wiring harness might be visible when installing the smaller light. I think there are several options that would look good: 1) have a foam backed headliner, with a 76/77 ticket light (looks like a 76/77 cop car) 2) have a foam backed headliner, with a 74/75 ticket light (looks like a 75 cop car) 3) have a fabric headliner, with a 74/75 ticket light (looks like a 74 cop car - and the blumo) but the option to install a 76/77 ticket light in a foam backed headliner, and then later replace it with a 74/75 ticket light, I think would look a little strange with the extra holes. your friend in throwing out ideas, arthur
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Post by legendaryacura8 on Oct 19, 2012 19:40:16 GMT -5
Lots of good info there. So for the time being I could always install the 76/77 light, and just plan on converting to a 74 style headliner later...
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Post by Sd.Kfz. 400 on Oct 19, 2012 19:41:03 GMT -5
Or then you can make a small hole in the middle of the dome and screw it to the roof with one bolt, which requires only an one small hole to the headliner(wires included). Ground wire goes there too. And an perfectionist would also use three cutted + superglued? screws in the screw holes.
Where's the on/off switch of an 74/75 light?
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Post by sigmfsk on Oct 19, 2012 20:04:06 GMT -5
Or then you can make a small hole in the middle of the dome and screw it to the roof with one bolt, which requires only an one small hole to the headliner(wires included). Ground wire goes there too. And an perfectionist would also use three cutted + superglued? screws in the screw holes. Where's the on/off switch of an 74/75 light? It's a separate switch; not part of the light itself. You can see it in the pic above of "king of the hill" with the tan fabric headliner. It's to the left of the light.
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