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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 12, 2011 3:57:41 GMT -5
At CEVS, I mentioned that the passenger side inner fender (wheel well) was different on a 74 vs. 75+ I had this difference in mind:  above, 76 parts car - notice stamped "hump" at top above, 74 - marin county you may remember these pics from here: bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=information&thread=91&post=256But then we got to looking, and Lord Vadus' 74 has the hump. I was beginning to wonder if Marin County truly didn't have the hump, but then saw that ChiTown John's 74 was humpless. above, ChiTown's 74 above, LV's 74 above, Country's 75 above, Country's 75 zoom-in showing hump more clearly above, 177's 75 Marin County has a build date of March 25th, 1974. above, ChiTown is Dec 5th, 1973 above, LV is July 24th, 1974 So John's is early in the model year build cycle, and LV is at the end. I'm thinking that the humpless inner wheel well was used originally, and then changed sometime to the late 74 / 75+ hump style. But when I started talking about this difference, people started saying, oh yes, 74 and 75+ are totally different, the 74 has the bar, while the 75+ has the plastic shield. And I looked at them (I think Country Bunker and 177ellwood started it) like they were crazy. But sure enough ChiTown's and LV's 74 have a support bar on the fender, that the 75's didn't have. Above, ChiTown's Above, LV's Notice John's is prototype-style stamped piece, while LV's is the nice, round, and looks like they put some effort into it. I didn't get a pic of the 75s. Rather than a bar, it has a rigid plastic shield (maybe in addition to the bar). All this was news to me, as I didn't recall either on my car. But my memory isn't so good sometimes. The best I could find in my pics were these, that seem to show that mine didn't have a bar. I couldn't find the bar in the parts catalog So I'm not really sure what was going on there. your friend in chatting about monaco differences, arthur |
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Post by Lord Vadus on Aug 13, 2011 21:02:21 GMT -5
My green '74 doesn't have the fender bump, but it does have the rounded fender support bar.  I'll post the VIN tag so someone can decode when the car was built. |
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Post by Lord Vadus on Aug 13, 2011 21:05:30 GMT -5
I'd love to know where and when this car was built.  |
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Post by tk826 on Aug 13, 2011 22:51:52 GMT -5
DH41:
Dodge Polara, Monaco
High Price Class
4 Door Sedan
K4D:
360 1-2BBL 8 CYL
1974
Belvidere, IL, USA
102859:
Sequence number
E57: 360 cid 2 barrel V8 255hp
D34: Light Duty Automatic Transmission
KG2: Exterior Color - Frosty Green Poly
M1G6: Interior Trim - Opt. Decor Group, Seat Style (Unknown), Green
KG7: Int. Door Panels (Unknown) - Door Frames
824: Build Date: August 24
112187: Order number
V1G: Full Vinyl Top, Gator Grain
U: USA Specifications
G11: Tinted Glass (all)
H51: Air Conditioning with Heater
L25: Trunk Lamp
L31: Hood/Fender Mounted Turn Signals
L81: Door Ajar Indicator Lamp
M15: Up dr fr mold
V5X: Body Side Stripes, Black
END: End of Sales Codes
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Post by Lord Vadus on Aug 13, 2011 23:48:34 GMT -5
DH41: Dodge Polara, Monaco High Price Class 4 Door Sedan K4D: 360 1-2BBL 8 CYL 1974 Belvidere, IL, USA 102859: Sequence number E57: 360 cid 2 barrel V8 255hp D34: Light Duty Automatic Transmission KG2: Exterior Color - Frosty Green Poly M1G6: Interior Trim - Opt. Decor Group, Seat Style (Unknown), Green KG7: Int. Door Panels (Unknown) - Door Frames 824: Build Date: August 24 112187: Order number V1G: Full Vinyl Top, Gator Grain U: USA Specifications G11: Tinted Glass (all) H51: Air Conditioning with Heater L25: Trunk Lamp L31: Hood/Fender Mounted Turn Signals L81: Door Ajar Indicator Lamp M15: Up dr fr mold V5X: Body Side Stripes, Black END: End of Sales Codes Wow, that's neat. How'd you do that? I'd love to run my black Monaco as well and see how that comes out, though I find it interesting that this car was built later in the year than my Brougham and, yet, has the door pocket and the smooth fender. |
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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 14, 2011 4:52:20 GMT -5
824: Build Date: August 24 ...I find it interesting that this car was built later in the year than my Brougham and, yet, has the door pocket and the smooth fender. Hi LV: That's august 24th - 1973! Your sedan is super early in the sequence, and your hardtop is super late in the sequence. I'm starting a new thread on this that will explain more. your friend in fender tag breakdowns, arthur |
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Post by tk826 on Aug 14, 2011 11:04:48 GMT -5
Could the round fender support bar be the same as the support bar that
extends from the firewall to the top of the inner fender?
If so, it might explain the change over.
Just double up on an existing piece, rather than use two different styles.
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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 14, 2011 21:02:43 GMT -5
Could the round fender support bar be the same as the support bar that extends from the firewall to the top of the inner fender? If so, it might explain the change over. Just double up on an existing piece, rather than use two different styles. Interesting. We'll have to do some measuring at the next CEVS. Now that we're getting the sequence number chart going, its odd to see that the earliest 74 Monaco (Lord Vadus' sedan) has the round support, then cars switch to the flat support for a while, before ending the model year with round support. I checked some pics I've saved, and see that king-of-the-hill has a hump inner fender: |
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Post by sigmfsk on Aug 28, 2011 7:16:38 GMT -5
It looks like the bluesmobile never has the fender support.
It makes one go, hmmmm.
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Post by sigmfsk on Sept 3, 2011 17:30:02 GMT -5
Here's what the inner fender support area looks like on a 75 Monaco (Country Bunker's)
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Post by sigmfsk on Apr 29, 2012 12:52:14 GMT -5
As far as we know, the driver-side inner fenderwell was the same part number from 74-77. But the passenger-side fenderwell could come in (at least) "humped" and "humpless" varieties. It looks like 75+ was "humped" while 1974 was typically "humpless". Lord Vadus hardtop is "humped", but his car has a very late 1974 build date of July 1974, so I think it got things typically associated with 1975 builds (such as foam backed headliner). King-of-the-hill is also "humped", and it has a late build date of June 1974. bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=details&action=display&thread=164If you haven't sent in your Monaco info for that thread, please consider it, as the table is helpful for solving questions like this. So it looks like the switch from humpless to humped started around May 1974. LV's is a good example of "humped". It also has a distinctive circle to the left of the hump: Here's my 1976 parts car humped: as compared to my 1974 Fury non-humped: I noticed another difference. The 1976 has an indention, I suppose to add rigidity. I circle the indention, and compare to the 1974 Fury without such circling. your friend in comparison pics, arthur |
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Post by sigmfsk on Jun 15, 2012 3:29:03 GMT -5
...people started saying, oh yes, 74 and 75+ are totally different, the 74 has the bar, while the 75+ has the plastic shield...sure enough ChiTown's and LV's 74 have a support bar on the fender, that the 75's didn't have. Above, ChiTown's Above, LV's Notice John's is prototype-style stamped piece, while LV's is the nice, round, and looks like they put some effort into it. I didn't get a pic of the 75s. Rather than a bar, it has a rigid plastic shield (maybe in addition to the bar). The 1975 Arco blumo has a bar:  from www.bluesmobiles.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=sightings&thread=769&post=4918 |
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Post by Lord Vadus on Nov 20, 2012 18:07:18 GMT -5
Both sides of my '75 have a fender support bar; they're rusted to the point where they don't do anything, but they're still there. Driver's Side:  Passenger's Side:  |
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Post by sigmfsk on Nov 20, 2012 18:42:13 GMT -5
Ahh, that's very interesting, LV! I see in your owner's thread that the car has the lower cornering lights: and I see a bulb receptacle for it on the inside of the fender here: Maybe that has something to do why it has a bar instead of the 1975 plate, like Country Bunker's from earlier in this thread: ?? Your friend in exciting trivia updates, thanks, arthur |
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Post by sigmfsk on Dec 15, 2012 7:33:14 GMT -5
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